VLN and Nurburgring 24 hours

[Pandamasque]

Originally Posted by Anyopenroad

It's a VLN/N24 rule. It's fantastically complicated. I strongly suggest you don't bother trying to understand it. Just enjoy the spectacle .

When strategies diverge towards the end, even slightly, not understanding the "aggregate" standings of the cars somewhat diminishes the enjoyment.

Originally Posted by Anyopenroad

They don't red flag for rain, they red flag for visibility. Once marshal posts can't see each other, it's stopped. Other than that, drivers are expected to deal with it.

They said it was actually due to the medical chopper not being able to take off in these conditions.

Over the years race organisers everywhere became more cautious. But on the other hand, I can't help but praise the organisation for how they dealt with incidents on the track prior to the red flag. 10-15 years ago it would be a Safety Car snooze fest half the time. Slow zones completely transformed this race.

[gert]

I don't really like the Creventic series rules where they run x hours on Day1, flag the thing and skip all night running, go to bed and start for Y hours on day 2.

But basically that is exactly what they are doing here and now.
The only difference is with Creventic you know in advance that is going to happen.

[canaglia]

Originally Posted by gert

No restart before 07:00 ???

This is turning into a non-race.

night of N24 is always a 50/50 between racing or redflag due rain, fog, storm etc...

[Akrapovic]

Well this is the most disappointing event of 2021 so far.

[JoeW04]

Pretty frustrating, was looking forward to staying up on the sofa and watching this tonight

[Accident]

While it has been waning anyways, this whole geoblocking thing has really crushed my enthusiasm for circuit racing in the last few years when I can't even find a way to watch the few events that still excite me.

Unless I'm blind, the N24 site doesn't even explain how to watch it for different regions, which seems ridiculous to me... Why wouldn't you make it as clear as possible?

I know the race is red flagged, but I figured I'd wind back in the stream to watch the start of it... except there is no stream for the US that I can find that isn't pitlane or onboards. Sure glad I didn't wake up early and make time with plans to watch the start live...

[WyldStallion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKgd1l5yigU

This is the flooding at Spa, I know it was mentioned during the N24 Qual sessions. Wow they were not kidding. That was bad.

[WyldStallion]

Originally Posted by Accident

While it has been waning anyways, this whole geoblocking thing has really crushed my enthusiasm for circuit racing in the last few years when I can't even find a way to watch the few events that still excite me.

Unless I'm blind, the N24 site doesn't even explain how to watch it for different regions, which seems ridiculous to me... Why wouldn't you make it as clear as possible?

I know the race is red flagged, but I figured I'd wind back in the stream to watch the start of it... except there is no stream for the US that I can find that isn't pitlane or onboards. Sure glad I didn't wake up early and make time with plans to watch the start live...

Crazy thing is that other than the N24 race itself. Youtube coverage at the N'Ring is great. NLS, The N'Ring 6 hour Q race. The N24 practice/Qual sessions, the onboard streams. Its all there...except for...yeah. Well you know what since they started Geoblocking they can't seem to get actual 24 hour races in anymore...ha ha.

[WyldStallion]

Check this out...the driver of the slowest car in the N24 field this year. Giving commentary while driving and cars passing him everywhere. And he is having the time of his life!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srKL5fjdzpk

[Ferrari333SP]

Really great VPN, to help you get around the geo-block: https://nordvpn.com/

[Pandamasque]

Originally Posted by WyldStallion

Check this out...the driver of the slowest car in the N24 field this year. Giving commentary while driving and cars passing him everywhere. And he is having the time of his life!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srKL5fjdzpk

Loving it. They should stream the race like this

[tux]

Of course its very frustrating but then, who do you blame? You cant control the weather.

Next info is in 40 minutes (7am local) but from the cameras still streaming it looks just as bad, cant see it lifting for a while yet.

[Ferrari333SP]

Next update on potential start to be given at 1am Central/2am Eastern

[Ferrari333SP]

Apparently fog scheduled to begin lifting around 10am local time, which is 3am Central

[gert]

They keep postponing and postponing.
Apart from Glickenhaus getting more air time to complain about LMP2s nothing has happened.

I'm giving up on this non-race for now, and watch LMS instead.

[Pandamasque]

At this point ADAC should consider permanently rescheduling the event to a time of the year in which the statistical probability of extreme weather including but not limited to rain, hail, snow, fog, frogs, locust etc. is the smallest in a year for that specific region (I know it's never going to be zero).

[Simmi]

I keep occasionally flicking back to the stream and the visibility still looks bad.

Reminds me of 2018 and they had to restart it for the finish and the conditions if anything got worse.

[WyldStallion]

Woke up from sleep and looks like we have the first ever 8 hours of Nurburgring. Manthay Porsche leading as I type this with 1 hour 45 mins left.

[Anyopenroad]

Originally Posted by Pandamasque

At this point ADAC should consider permanently rescheduling the event to a time of the year in which the statistical probability of extreme weather including but not limited to rain, hail, snow, fog, frogs, locust etc. is the smallest in a year for that specific region (I know it's never going to be zero).

When to though? It was red-flagged in September last year. June is Le Mans. July and August there's no public holiday weekends and the amateurs who are the core of the race have holidays. Then there's fitting around WEC, IMSA and IGTC/GTWC for the pros.

I've been at Nurburgring in warm, glorious sun in March and cold, foggy rain in July. 25C in October, 8C in June.

It's just part of the event.

[Adam43]

Are you suggesting that the organizers have already considered this?!

[Pandamasque]

I'm suggesting having a better shot at holding a full 24h race should perhaps take precedence over the convenience of holding the event on a public holiday.

As to the "when", only weather experts can answer. It's never going to be 100% weatherproof, but they don't hold it during Christmas holidays for a reason.

[Adam43]

I suspect that June through August it’s all much of a muchness.

FWIW I looked up the average number of days of rain is 9-10-9-8 for Jun-Jul-Aug-Sep. not that this is fog, but that’s not as easy to find.

June has a 30% chance on any day. September 27%.

https://en.climate-data.org/europe/g...erburg-711585/

The point here is that it is a reasonable assumption to assume the organizers have considered this as important!

Their best bet is to move it somewhere else.

[FIRE]

It's the Eifel, weather can change in 5 minutes.

[canaglia]

the only way to host a N24H without risk of red flag due weather is to create a nordschleife+GP layout replica in sahara desert.
Bmw did it with monza
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJb41F0tkxU

[Anyopenroad]

Originally Posted by Adam43

Their best bet is to move it somewhere else.

They should have thought of this 95 years ago when they built the track in such a silly place .