WEC Ginetta LMP1 - Page 40

Damian Baldi · 27 May 2019, 12:58 (Ref:3906319)

1.58.6 is a good lap time

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The final runner was the Ginetta G60 AER LMP1 car, following up its recent test at Motorland Aragon with a further test doubling up between performance and development and sales pitch.

Ginetta Chairman Lawrence Tomlinson was present with factory driver Charlie Robertson driving, joined again by James Jakes, Anders Fjordbach and LMP1 debutant Andrea Pizzitola.

The team was supported once again by Technical Director Pete Smith and race engineer Allan Mugglestone.  The Ginetta ran on both days with Robertson scoring its fastest lap on Day 2, a 1:58.6, all drivers observing that there is much, much more to come!

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2019/0...ichelotto.html

Juntos · 27 May 2019, 22:41 (Ref:3906411)

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there is much, much more to come!

If you expect nothing from somebody you are never disappointed.

TF110 · 28 May 2019, 15:28 (Ref:3906543)

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Originally Posted by Damian Baldi

1.58.6 is a good lap time

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2019/0...ichelotto.html

If that wasn't a qualifying run it's a very good time. Anything sub-2:00 in race pace is good especially for a new-ish car.

S griffin · 28 May 2019, 15:38 (Ref:3906545)

If it was a glory run, that’s not going to help them. If it wasn’t, then the signs are good. No point trying to reenter the championship if they are just going to be left behind again

Akrapovic · 14 Jun 2019, 08:16 (Ref:3910020)

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Updated Ginetta LMP3.

S griffin · 14 Jun 2019, 08:40 (Ref:3910032)

Can’t wait to see it race, it looks the business

Bcarr6 · 14 Jun 2019, 10:01 (Ref:3910056)

Looks fantastic.

What is everyones expectation on the P1 actually showing up for 19/20?

Also curious if Ginetta will see the new Hypercar ruleset as an opportunity to reset their top their top tier LM racing ambitions

Damian Baldi · 14 Jun 2019, 13:48 (Ref:3910139)

The new LMP3 looks years ahead of the old one. Congrats.

Akrapovic · 14 Jun 2019, 13:54 (Ref:3910151)

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Originally Posted by Bcarr6

Looks fantastic.

What is everyones expectation on the P1 actually showing up for 19/20?

Also curious if Ginetta will see the new Hypercar ruleset as an opportunity to reset their top their top tier LM racing ambitions

I'm sure it'll be there, but there are no excuses now. They have blamed everybody there is to blame, and now it's basically a factory car. If it isn't up to speed then the blame lies at Ginettas door.

**joeb** · 14 Jun 2019, 14:11 (Ref:3910156)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

I'm sure it'll be there, but there are no excuses now. They have blamed everybody there is to blame, and now it's basically a factory car. If it isn't up to speed then the blame lies at Ginettas door.

I agree with this sentiment. But after seeing how fast the SMP and Rebellion have been at Le Mans, I still expect Ginetta to be behind the curve next year. Maybe filling in the byKolles niche?

Tique · 15 Jun 2019, 05:37 (Ref:3910279)

Having thé same engine with thé BR1 will show us immediatly how good the car is. What is more worrying for me is the fact that they have lost a year versus SMP Racing and Rebellon. But I expect them quicker than Kolles !

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Graham Goodwin · 15 Jun 2019, 06:42 (Ref:3910284)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

I'm sure it'll be there, but there are no excuses now. They have blamed everybody there is to blame, and now it's basically a factory car. If it isn't up to speed then the blame lies at Ginettas door.

If by that you mean that they have blamed the previous team/sponsor for not paying for the cars, and blamed the original engine builder for supplying an engine that was well over 100 hp down on the promised spec then yes you are right!

Akrapovic · 15 Jun 2019, 07:17 (Ref:3910289)

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If by that you mean that they have blamed the previous team/sponsor for not paying for the cars, and blamed the original engine builder for supplying an engine that was well over 100 hp down on the promised spec then yes you are right!

They also turned up at Le Mans without the correct aerokit, after saying they were aiming for sub 3:20 laps, and that during testing they were within a second of Toyota. Ginetta are not innocent in this cars current state.

It is a customer car that was not ready to be sold to customers.

Mike E · 19 Jun 2019, 11:13 (Ref:3912849)

Apparently Dragonspeed were trying to get permission to run a Ginetta instead of their BR1. That would have been interesting.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2019/0...-24-hours.html

gert · 19 Jun 2019, 16:08 (Ref:3912917)

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Originally Posted by Mike E

Apparently Dragonspeed were trying to get permission to run a Ginetta instead of their BR1. That would have been interesting.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2019/0...-24-hours.html

Maybe, but I fail to see who had anything to gain actually.

* The BR1 is not a bad car, otherwise SMP would not have had the results either
* Dragonspeed seems to be unable to get the car sorted. Does that tell us something about the car, or something about the team itself?

Now let them change the BR1 to a car they have 0 experience with, and that hasn't been raced for a year.
I'll agree that the Ginetta has been developed and upgraded and all, but I don't think it is at BR1 level yet, certainly not in the hands of a team that has no experience with it.

Let's say they achieve the same results as with their BR1, then what would be the conclusion?
* the Ginetta is still no good ?
or
* the Ginetta is still not reliable (enough) ?
or
* Dragonspeed is not the right team to run such a car ?
or
* ...

I don't think Dragonspeed would have gained anything in this scenario and I'm not sure it would have done Ginetta a lot of good either, by putting in a race rather unprepared.

Let them prepare for 2019-2020 and we'll see at the races what the car is worth.

TF110 · 20 Jun 2019, 01:22 (Ref:3913001)

Maybe the BR1 didn't work well with the Gibson engine. Let's hope that the Ginetta does because it also was running a different type of engine in its early life. I suspect that the BR1 was designed for the AER turbo and that the updated version for Dragonspeed never worked as well.

Damian Baldi · 20 Jun 2019, 16:20 (Ref:3913138)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Maybe the BR1 didn't work well with the Gibson engine. Let's hope that the Ginetta does because it also was running a different type of engine in its early life. I suspect that the BR1 was designed for the AER turbo and that the updated version for Dragonspeed never worked as well.

Yes, that could be very possible. They had problems with the electronics too. Taking in mind the problems that the DPi cars had in the early days it could be a reason.

On the other side, I think the BR1 is a more difficult car to drive compared with the Ginetta. That could had been a reason to have some interest in the swap.

Mike E · 20 Jun 2019, 18:19 (Ref:3913152)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Maybe the BR1 didn't work well with the Gibson engine. Let's hope that the Ginetta does because it also was running a different type of engine in its early life. I suspect that the BR1 was designed for the AER turbo and that the updated version for Dragonspeed never worked as well.

"Ginetta’s AER P60B installation, the 2.4 litre twin turbo V6 replacing the Mecachrome 3.4 litre single turbo powerplant after the car’s troubled Le Mans debut, was already fully designed as part of the package developed for a launch customer for the G60 LMP1 that never came to fruition."

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2019/0...s-and-eot.html

TF110 · 20 Jun 2019, 23:28 (Ref:3913203)

Keep getting it mixed up and thinking the Gibson is going to be in the Ginetta when it's the turbo AER.

LC2guy · 21 Jun 2019, 09:07 (Ref:3913263)

Will Ginetta use the P60B then ? SMP use the updated P60C ?

**joeb** · 21 Jun 2019, 13:56 (Ref:3913320)

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Will Ginetta use the P60B then ? SMP use the updated P60C ?

I gotta imagine Ginetta will get the latest evolution of the engine. Especially given how well it just performed at Le Mans.

Deleted · 8 Jul 2019, 18:21 (Ref:3916569)

With SMP gone, one has to hope for Ginetta-AER to last until LM, or otherwise there will be grand total of two engine makes in all of Prototypes

and to think that only last year we had Toyota, Zytek, AER, Nissan and Mechachrome (although obviously even that is nothing in comparison to start of the decade)

TF110 · 9 Jul 2019, 21:25 (Ref:3916754)

Ginetta testing at Paul Ricard. This guy has a few good photos of it https://www.flickr.com/photos/153603...57709532288527

TF110 · 11 Jul 2019, 17:09 (Ref:3917036)

Endurance info reporting the Ginetta was pretty close to Toyota on times at Paul Ricard.

Juntos · 11 Jul 2019, 21:25 (Ref:3917065)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Endurance info reporting the Ginetta was pretty close to Toyota on times at Paul Ricard.

They were all very close to Toyota one year and half ago...

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