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Old 28 May 2007, 00:18 (Ref:1922463)   #1
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No driver orders at Mclaren?/McLaren under investigation

Is Ron Dennis having a laugh suggesting that there are no driver orders at Mclaren,Hamilton was way quicker than Alonso towards the closing stages at Monaco and obviously backed off.I think Dennis wanted to play mind games with the other teams and have his two guys at the top of the drivers champ, it also looks good for the sponsors.No wonder Hamilton was looking so miffed at the press conference!.
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Old 28 May 2007, 00:24 (Ref:1922467)   #2
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Hmmm perhaps Alonso also backed off, no? Really, this team orders controversy is tiring.
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Old 28 May 2007, 00:29 (Ref:1922468)   #3
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It's an entirely pointless debate. But pretend you are the McLaren team boss in that situation. Running 1-2, comfortable, 18 points in the bag. All the stops are done, ticking off the final laps. Do you let Hamilton have a go at Alonso? Is that intelligent? Around Monaco?

No. Besides Alonso backed off and that is the only reason Lewis got close. We saw clearly today who was quickest and the quickest guy won. The result was justice to the drivers and McLaren.

There is nothing to get excited about really.
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Old 28 May 2007, 00:36 (Ref:1922469)   #4
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From my perspective I believe the Lewis could have caught Fernando, but to be on the safe side RD told them not to fight it out..Which in one way is not racing really! On the other hand at a circuit like Monaco a one and a two finish is better than the wall....There is nothing to get excited about really, as Knowlesy says...In fact why did I post this I have just repeated your thoughts, excuse me for that..
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Old 28 May 2007, 00:38 (Ref:1922470)   #5
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I doubt he would have caught him in an all out scrap. But even if he had caught him, would he have passed him? At Monaco? Forget it.
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Old 28 May 2007, 00:50 (Ref:1922472)   #6
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He got very close at one point though Inigo, could have been a tremendous end to a rather subdued race..
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Old 28 May 2007, 00:58 (Ref:1922474)   #7
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It's an entirely pointless debate. But pretend you are the McLaren team boss in that situation. Running 1-2, comfortable, 18 points in the bag. All the stops are done, ticking off the final laps. Do you let Hamilton have a go at Alonso? Is that intelligent? Around Monaco?

No. Besides Alonso backed off and that is the only reason Lewis got close. We saw clearly today who was quickest and the quickest guy won. The result was justice to the drivers and McLaren.

There is nothing to get excited about really.

No way, Hamiltons lap times came down considerably when he was catching Alonso and then went up,what I am getting at is that RD says no team orders and likes to make out hes guys are racers,but again drab modern F1 tactics ruin the day.Do you remember the good old days Senna mansell at Monaco RACING..........................they used to do that once
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Old 28 May 2007, 01:01 (Ref:1922475)   #8
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He got very close at one point though Inigo, could have been a tremendous end to a rather subdued race..
Couldnt agree more sir!
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Old 28 May 2007, 01:13 (Ref:1922477)   #9
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As much as I am a massive fan and would have loved to have seen Lewis win his first race, the right guy won this weekend.

Hamilton admitted he hit a lot of barriers throughout the race, and we saw him more than once run into a corner too hot and understeer, and generally make a meal of things.

For me Alsonso drove a perfect race. He responded when Lewis upped his efforts, and I didn't see Alonso lock a brake, miss an apex, understeer, oversteer, run off line through a corner - nothing - it was clinical - and he deserved the result.
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Old 28 May 2007, 01:22 (Ref:1922478)   #10
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He got very close at one point though Inigo, could have been a tremendous end to a rather subdued race..
Would he have gotten close had Dennis assured Alonso that Hamilton would not be making a move? I doubt it. Alonso was roughly 10 secs ahead after the second round of stops and within 2-3 laps that gap evaporated. I highly doubt Hamilton was 3 seconds quicker per lap on merit.
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Old 28 May 2007, 01:42 (Ref:1922484)   #11
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Did Lewis not get to within 3-5 Seconds of Fernando though? maybe I am mistaken.
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Old 28 May 2007, 02:04 (Ref:1922489)   #12
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The team orders are clear from the following points:

1. Lewis was fuelled five or six laps more than Alonso for qualifying. To much for him to have a realistic run for pole and too little to run a one stop. Besides the option tire degraded too much on a heavy fuel load and Lewis could not realistically run 51 laps with the option tyre. Ron's explanation about Lewis being initially on a one stop is BS. Moreover, any fool knows that pole is important to win in Monaco.

2. Lewis was called in 2 to 3 laps early for his first stop negating any possibility of him passing Alonso.

3. Lewis was called in about 6 laps early in the second stop.

If the strategies were reversed Lewis would have won easily in Monaco.

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Old 28 May 2007, 03:19 (Ref:1922500)   #13
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the common conception is that Ron allows his drivers to race as they wish upto the second stops, then to hold position after.
Anyway, i thimk alonso always had the little bit extra that he needed to keep lewis at bay!
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The team orders are clear from the following points:

1. Lewis was fuelled five or six laps more than Alonso for qualifying. To much for him to have a realistic run for pole and too little to run a one stop. Besides the option tire degraded too much on a heavy fuel load and Lewis could not realistically run 51 laps with the option tyre. Ron's explanation about Lewis being initially on a one stop is BS. Moreover, any fool knows that pole is important to win in Monaco.

2. Lewis was called in 2 to 3 laps early for his first stop negating any possibility of him passing Alonso.

3. Lewis was called in about 6 laps early in the second stop.

If the strategies were reversed Lewis would have won easily in Monaco.
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The team orders are clear from the following points:

1. Lewis was fuelled five or six laps more than Alonso for qualifying. To much for him to have a realistic run for pole and too little to run a one stop. Besides the option tire degraded too much on a heavy fuel load and Lewis could not realistically run 51 laps with the option tyre. Ron's explanation about Lewis being initially on a one stop is BS. Moreover, any fool knows that pole is important to win in Monaco.

2. Lewis was called in 2 to 3 laps early for his first stop negating any possibility of him passing Alonso.

3. Lewis was called in about 6 laps early in the second stop.

If the strategies were reversed Lewis would have won easily in Monaco.
I like this ...

Similarly, if:

1. If there were 16 retirements and not 3 DC would have won (easily).
2. If Alonso had tripped over on Saturday and injured himself and McLaren flew in Sebastian Bourdais, Bourdais would have won.
3. If the Ferrari was a second a lap faster, Massa would have won.
4. If it was a rally, Sebastian Loeb would have won.
5. If you could only run last years cars, Scott Speed would have won.
6. If he did'nt retire, Michael Schumacher would have won.
7. If it was a NASCAR race, JPM still wouldnt have won.
8. If Ferrari had not been so silly and signed Raikkonen, maybe Hamilton would be driving a Spyker and he definitely would not have won.
9. If his biorythms were right Ralf would have finished 15th and been driver of the race.
10. If it was GP4, I would have beaten all of them.
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