If you want to race do it on the track!!!!!!!!

[krusty1]

Ok I know that this probably belongs somewhere else but too bad....

I love racing like any other person, I love my car and the fact that if I needed to it can go fast. But seriously we need to get some of these ***** on the road to start thinking about their actions. I am a CFA volunteer as well as a very enthusiastic race fan. My message is IF YOU WANT TO GO FAST YOU BLOODY FOOL DO IT ON A TRACK WHEN YOU ARE UNDER CONTROLED CONDITIONS AND ARE NOT GOING TO KILL YOURSELF, YOUR PASSENGER OR INNOCENT BYSTANDERS!!!! I am sick of attending call outs where I turn up and it is a Clubsport wrapped around a pole, or a GT in a ditch.

By no means am I attacking the sport and by no means am I saying that it the responsibility of ANYONE but the person behind the wheel.

Please be safe you are not Craig Lowndes or Mark Scaife when you are driving on surburban roads!!!

Sorry for the rant, just getting really frustrated.

[coln72]

Couldn't agree more

[Henry]

It's a shame that advanced and defensive driver training isn't compulsory: even the brashness and indestructability of youth would be tampered by an effective demonstration of exactly how quickly a situation can go from in to out of control. Most young lairs only discover it through hard eperience - and generally just in time to realise just how much strife they're in...

I would've thought that if one positive thing might come from the death of Peter Brock, it would be that roadside furniture is nowhere near as forgiving as a sandtrap and detroit concrete... add to that the randomness of oncoming traffic (and that any other traffic around you may not be completely aware of themselves and their situation, let alone yours), and what it adds up to is that there isn't any place for boy-racer mentality on public roads.

[Chatters]

Absolutely right. I saw a bloke on a motorbike that got thrown off his bike because some idiot was trying to break the land speed record in a Monaro. It
s just unacceptable, and we need to have some harsher penalties put in place.

[krusty1]

The problem is the TAC ads just don't work anymore and unfortunately most of these guys only learn their lesson when they are in an accident and injure or kill themselves or someone else. where is the answer?

If only cars were fitted with a stupidity limiter. Gee the roads would be quiet!!!

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by krusty1

If only cars were fitted with a stupidity limiter. Gee the roads would be quiet!!!

They are. Its called a brain.

Anybody can drive a car quickly, getting the thing to stop is a different issue. An its never the going too quickly that is the problem, its the things the driver collects when they stop... (and they do ultimately stop.. somehow)

[krusty1]

[QUOTE=GTRMagic]They are. Its called a brain. [QUOTE]


Unfortunately some must have theirs switched off!!

[GTRMagic]

There are speed days at both Eastern Creek and Wakefield Park scheduled regularly through the year

What better way to show off your 'speed' than bring your mates along as you take your pride and joy for a burn round a race track... or at WSID for a run-what-ya-brung drag......

[Oaksnaf]

For me awareness is a bigger factor in a crash than speed is.

A track day is also less expensive than what a fine and suspended sentance would cost aswell.

Personally I have never seen the point in speeding. And you always end up laughing when a driver flies straight past you, only to end up at the next set of lights.

[Chatters]

Western Sydney International Dragway opens its doors EVERY WEDNESDAY- Not once a month, not every few months, but every Wednesday of every week. For $45 you can bring your car in and you have four hours of racing to burn some rubber in controlled, and well monitored conditions, so if you do have a crash you won't have to wait for a passer-by to call the Ambulance- There will be one waiting for you.

I don't see why people in NSW want to knock this back! It just seems like plain idiocy to me!

Just expanding for you GTR.

Post 1,500!

[pink_bits]

Good Thread to start. Especially around Bathurst when we are all at our BBQ'S, the track etc.. How many times have we seen ppl leaving the track or a BBQ after Bathurst doing something silly, burn outs etc... Guys we need to be more careful this year!!

Also I believe we teach our kids how to pass a licence test and not how to drive, 1 year after getting my P's my Dad sent me off to do a Driver Education course with Murcotts. This should be Compulsary for every one who gets a licence. We should also be teaching our future generation (and older folks) Emergency breaking, Slide control, Safe Highway driving also basic maintenance of cars, you would be surprised at how many people do not know how to change a tyre, check their oil and water safely etc....

If the Government were serious about reducing road toll they would take a long hard look at these programs and make them compulsary.

[krusty1]

Originally Posted by pink_bits

If the Government were serious about reducing road toll they would take a long hard look at these programs and make them compulsary.

I agree, problem that we see is the "it couldn't happen to me" mentality. Not that I believe that the vast majority of people could handle it but the best way to educate someone is to scare the living.... out of them. Pictures don't do it. Being in the CFA and attending accients like this has definately made me take my foot off. Not that it was too hard on to start with. I like my life and my sexy XR too much!!!

Get them into a controled situation (as controlled as you can get when it comes to a car) where they have assistance on hand and make them loose control. Show them how easy it is to get all out of shape and what the consequences are!

[bestfit]

If the Government were serious about reducing road toll they would take a long hard look at these programs and make them compulsary.

Unfortunately governments only appear to be serious about these problems for as long as the latest fatal crash is making the news.
About 18 months ago, just around the corner from where I live, a teenager took his father's GTR for a joy ride while his father was overseas. He proceeded to wrap it around a power pole at over 200kph (in a 50kph zone), killing himself, his girlfriend and another mate.
It was front page news for a week or so. The public was outraged, the government was outraged and promised all sorts of committees and enquiries to stop it happening again. With the public suitably appeased, the story drops out of the papers and all the fancy promises are dropped and forgotten until the next horror smash. Then it starts again.
In these situations governments in general are great at saying what you want to hear, but are useless when it comes to doing what you want them to do!

[pink_bits]

I think the Worst ever Thread pic is a little harsh!

[krusty1]

Originally Posted by bestfit

In these situations governments in general are great at saying what you want to hear, but are useless when it comes to doing what you want them to do!

Did it ever cross your mind that it i the responsibility of the idiot in the car who thinks he is invincable.

Worst thread ever huh. Come and have an average night with me and see what we see as volunteers and you might have a little appreciation for what I am on about. I saw one on the weekend where the road was brand new, not a ripple in it, built up area, I drive that road daily but the fool behind the wheel decided that 100+kph in a 50zone was a good idea. Lets just hope that he lives to actually learn the lesson. Not to mention his passenger.

I also think that our roads are enforced very well but unfortunately the burocrats and do gooders and judges are not handing down sentences that are harsh enough. $135 fine or speeding. Not enough when the consequence could have been someones life!!

[williamsf1]

Originally Posted by bestfit

Unfortunately governments only appear to be serious about these problems for as long as the latest fatal crash is making the news.
About 18 months ago, just around the corner from where I live, a teenager took his father's GTR for a joy ride while his father was overseas. He proceeded to wrap it around a power pole at over 200kph (in a 50kph zone), killing himself, his girlfriend and another mate.
It was front page news for a week or so. The public was outraged, the government was outraged and promised all sorts of committees and enquiries to stop it happening again. With the public suitably appeased, the story drops out of the papers and all the fancy promises are dropped and forgotten until the next horror smash. Then it starts again.
In these situations governments in general are great at saying what you want to hear, but are useless when it comes to doing what you want them to do!

I think you will find it wasn't a GT-R but just an average skyline (GTS4 I beleive)... and it is never the car that does the speeding, so lets not tarnish a great cars rep. for the sake of one idiot.... the media and police already have a fasination with the GT-R thinking it is the devil, lets not add to it eh?

[Oaksnaf]

Originally Posted by williamsf1

I think you will find it wasn't a GT-R but just an average skyline (GTS4 I beleive)... and it is never the car that does the speeding, so lets not tarnish a great cars rep. for the sake of one idiot.... the media and police already have a fasination with the GT-R thinking it is the devil, lets not add to it eh?

Thats exactly right. People who blame the car, or any hint of it are only making excuses for what could be their friends and family in the incident.

"Too powerful" "Too fast"

At times it acts like a smoke screen. Just like all those people out there who always say "Bikes are too dangerous".

Its not the machine, its the person behind the machine that is at fault.

[dsg]

Originally Posted by Oaksnaf

Thats exactly right. People who blame the car, or any hint of it are only making excuses for what could be their friends and family in the incident.

"Too powerful" "Too fast"

At times it acts like a smoke screen. Just like all those people out there who always say "Bikes are too dangerous".

Its not the machine, its the person behind the machine that is at fault.

The same argument was made for guns but most statistics show that if you reduce the availability of weapons the misuse of those weapons also decreases. A sad fact of society.

[Senna05]

This might not be the right place for this thread, but I think it brings up some great points.

I'm by no means a hugely experienced driver, but I've been on the roads since 1999. 7 Years of freeway driving and NSW Country roads (the golden highway, putty road and bells line are a must if you want to learn respect for a piece of bitumen) and watching accidents happen mere metres from me have given me a fair eye opener.

MY dad put me through a driving course at Oran Park... I think it was with Luffy's dad? (too long ago to remember). That, coupled with my dad and grandfather beating me with a stick at any chance has definitely given me the tools to be able to drive "better" (I'm not going to label myself a good driver... because I'm sure most of you on here are much better....)

I'm about to finish a degree in teaching, and will soon be a secondary teacher. I've seen plenty of statistics to prove that the Driver Ed in the US that is compulsary in some states is effective in comparison to other states. That with my positive experience ar Oran leads me to agree with what some of you guys have said.

Liberal right wingers will cry that it would cost too much. OK, let's weigh that against continual insurance hikes due to young drivers having bigger accidents? I'm 23, have never been in a prang (touch wood) and yet I have to pay higher costs for some moron in a clubby who's been in 5 or 6? Would this training be worth the potential saving of life that could result from these drivers averting accidents? (I think so...)

Maybe it's just an evil conspiracy theory. Morris Iemma and co don't want to do it because they get too much from speeding and neg driving fines?

[Pro Racer]

i couldnt agre more with you krusty1 i havnt got my licence yet but being a car enthusiest i want a fast car and wil definatly use it on a track under controlled conditions after hearing stories of bad crashes and seeing the after marth of a couple on the roads that i later read in the paper or seen on the news that the cars involved were racing and i just think to myself how would my mum,dad and loved ones feel being told by the police that i had died in a car acciden and that i was racing doing 180 in a 60 zone or something like that.

[Senna05]

You guys have got me going now -

* In Canada, they allow people as young as 15 to begin learning, in a vehicle 1300CC or under. People under 20 also have a CC limit. There are less insurance hassle in Canada due to less incidents.

* In Nevada it's illegal for drivers who have driven for 3 years or less to have a car stereo.

* US statistics have proven that variable speed limits for various driver abilities actually CAUSE MORE accidents on freeway situations...

Sooo, there some food for thought... Maybe we don't have a 90-100 speed limit, but rather insist that our P-Platers only drive 1600CC cars that would stuggle to get past 140k's and will arguably stop with ease due to the weight, and no car stereo systems (or limit them to 2 x 50 wat speakers?).

That of course is just a re-active measure. The buck definitely stops with defensive driver training.

[jdd]

Not sure where I read them, but a few years ago I saw some statistics that showed young drivers who had attended advanced driving course’s statistically had a higher chance of having serious accidents than similar aged/experienced driver’s who hadn’t. I think the reasoning behind it was that once many drivers who have done an advanced driving course, they believe they can drive faster than they did previously and therefore do so. I’m not sure if these statistics were a valid comparison but it’s yet another dimension to this complex problem.
I don’t think there’s one solution, and while I believe, part of the solution is to limit the cars power to weight ratio for the first few years for new drivers. I don’t believe any state in Aus has effectively done this. Some states have laws about this that are very flawed and really a half hearted approach.

Originally Posted by Senna05

Sooo, there some food for thought... Maybe we don't have a 90-100 speed limit, but rather insist that our P-Platers only drive 1600CC cars that would stuggle to get past 140k's and will arguably stop with ease due to the weight, and no car stereo systems (or limit them to 2 x 50 wat speakers?).

I don’t believe limiting the engine capacity alone is the answer as almost all new cars of 1600cc or even less are capable of far more than 140km/h. It also doesn’t take a high-powered car or high speed to wipe yourself out.

I think in many cases is the drivers attitude is what’s at fault.

[krusty1]

Originally Posted by jdd

I think in many cases is the drivers attitude is what’s at fault.

I agree completely!!!

[bestfit]

I think the Worst ever Thread pic is a little harsh!

I used the "Worst" in reference to government attitude, not the thread.
I think the thread is very relevent.
I probably could have used a better emoticon.

[Chatters]

I don't know if this idea has been tossed about already in the public spotlight, but couldn't we implement a speed limiter tool that alerts the cops if a young driver (or any driver for that matter) is over the speed limit for a long period of time? I know a lot of people go 120 on a 110 highway, which, as long as you are aware of your surroundings is fine, but if we can monitor the speeds of the young drivers car, and perhaps even implement a kill switch that activates when the speed limit is broken, wouldn't that be a big help? I am aware that instruments like these can easily be de-activated, but surely it could alert the cops if it is?