Historics- Love Em' or Hate Em'

[cavvy]

Originally Posted by Peter Nightingale

Opposition from what??????????

Now Peter, I know & respect your position on the modifieds in the Biante Series, however it is the interface to the V8 brigade, many of whom are not sure what historics are really about.

To Ferdy Angel, check out a Historics meet, open wheelers from F1 Ferrari to F5000 to genuine Aussie specials, former Le Mans starters, tin tops from the 40s thru humpy Holdens to Toranas, Falcons, Minis, Lotus Cortinas to Group C & Group A - fabulous stuff.

[Peter Nightingale]

Originally Posted by cavvy

Now Peter, I know & respect your position on the modifieds in the Biante Series, however it is the interface to the V8 brigade, many of whom are not sure what historics are really about.

To Ferdy Angel, check out a Historics meet, open wheelers from F1 Ferrari to F5000 to genuine Aussie specials, former Le Mans starters, tin tops from the 40s thru humpy Holdens to Toranas, Falcons, Minis, Lotus Cortinas to Group C & Group A - fabulous stuff.

I do respect the views of all the contributors to this great forum and thanks for pointing out the historics, they really are fabulous entertainment for spectators. Regards , Peter N......

[Prickly_Goo]

Originally Posted by cavvy

To Ferdy Angel, check out a Historics meet, open wheelers from F1 Ferrari to F5000 to genuine Aussie specials, former Le Mans starters, tin tops from the 40s thru humpy Holdens to Toranas, Falcons, Minis, Lotus Cortinas to Group C & Group A - fabulous stuff.

Thanks cavvy.. I wil be sure to get out to one sometime..

[johngee]

It's good to read this thread and the enthusiasm for historic racing in your part of the world - something we don't hear enough about over here. Obviously it's big in the UK and Europe - almost too popular with clashing meetings and oversubscribed grids and a victim of its' own success
Keep the faith folks

[inpitlane]

Speaking of historics the F5000 race from the Island is now up on the In Pit Lane Vodcast via iTunes, Miro and other Podcast sites.

[Andrew2001]

hey folks, been a member since 1999 and dont think i have ever commented here!

I think historic racing is a no brainer. I mean, it is logical. It is no different to sitting down and listening to the best of the Rolling Stones, or going to an airshow to see a brand new but 60 year old P-51 Mustang fly, or going to a car museum to see a restored Jaguar C Type. I don't have any involvement with historic racing unfortunately but am getting involved with historic aviation in NZ, flying a variety of older types and it is so much fun!

As I speak I am watching the 1992 Bathurst 1 hour highlights vid that I downloaded - F#^!#^! awesome. I am a V8 nut, but I tell you waht, those GT-Rs were awesome. historic racing can be anything from 10 years ago to 40 years ago if you ask me. It is all good and long may we see old technology out where they belong.

[Prickly_Goo]

Originally Posted by Andrew2001

I think historic racing is a no brainer. I mean, it is logical. It is no different to sitting down and listening to the best of the Rolling Stones, or going to an airshow to see a brand new but 60 year old P-51 Mustang fly, or going to a car museum to see a restored Jaguar C Type. I don't have any involvement with historic racing unfortunately but am getting involved with historic aviation in NZ, flying a variety of older types and it is so much fun!

As I speak I am watching the 1992 Bathurst 1 hour highlights vid that I downloaded - F#^!#^! awesome. I am a V8 nut, but I tell you waht, those GT-Rs were awesome. historic racing can be anything from 10 years ago to 40 years ago if you ask me. It is all good and long may we see old technology out where they belong.

You were sounding good untill you mentioned the 92' Bathurst..

I created this topic to talk about the old Group N, A and C cars.. to me the historics are those sorts of cars..

the cars raced in the 90's are still classed as modern for me.

[Pro Racer]

bathurst 92 was still had some Group A's as it was the change over introducing the 93 spec (V8's) IIRC.

[Bullett]

The historic racing categories Group C is up to 1st Jan 1984, Group A is from 1st Jan 1984 until December 31 1992. So GTR's are valid historic cars and if the rumours are true there could be a couple in the A/C races soon, the ex GIO car is already active and apparently Ashwood has got one coming...the more the merrier. Until someone runs away I guess.

[David Towe]

Terry Ashwood racing Godzilla????

[Peter Nightingale]

Originally Posted by Big_Trev

I am a big fan of the more recent Historics (late 60's and 70's), but only in the pure form, not the Biante series as they have allowed the old bangers to be highly modified from their original pure form.

What about the new group "U" Historic Sports Sedans. From the end June 2008, hope to see a lot come out of their garages and show us some early examples of these cars........

[Bullett]

Originally Posted by David Towe

Terry Ashwood racing Godzilla????

Maybe I was wrong?...im pretty sure there is 2 more M3's coming though?

[Bullett]

Good to see proper Group N Historic Touring Cars...not the Biante cars at Barbagallo.

[cavvy]

Originally Posted by Bullett

Good to see proper Group N Historic Touring Cars...not the Biante cars at Barbagallo.

The king is back, see Natsoft, where are the Biante regulars, gun shy?

Bullett a gate ???

[David Towe]

Isn't it funny, Biante have made a business out of selling very accurate scale models of famous cars, then they go and sponsor a series that allows cars to be modified from what they were originally. Hmmmm?

I still have a problem with the term "Historic Touring Cars" for Group N and now the Biante series referring to them as "Historic".

[cavvy]

Originally Posted by David Towe

Isn't it funny, Biante have made a business out of selling very accurate scale models of famous cars, then they go and sponsor a series that allows cars to be modified from what they were originally. Hmmmm?

I still have a problem with the term "Historic Touring Cars" for Group N and now the Biante series referring to them as "Historic".

David, its not a Biante round ? Yes/no?

[alfacors]

Biante don't call them Historics though. They are the Biante Touring Car Masters....

[Prickly_Goo]

Originally Posted by alfacors

Biante don't call them Historics though. They are the Biante Touring Car Masters....

But they SHOULD be called the Biante Historic Touring Cars..

Masters makes it sound like your doing a uni course

[alfacors]

Originally Posted by Fernandez_Angel

But they SHOULD be called the Biante Historic Touring Cars..

Why? They aren't historically accurate. They don't comply with Historic regs. They aren't even logbooked as Historic Cars because they are so modified.

[Peter Nightingale]

Originally Posted by alfacors

Why? They aren't historically accurate. They don't comply with Historic regs. They aren't even logbooked as Historic Cars because they are so modified.

You are very correct with what you are saying, Biante series cars are not Historic , and never will be, they are not even HISTORICALLY ACCURATE......

[cavvy]

Its Group N at Wanneroo, historics for all, not Biante.

But to all the historic afficionardos, remember at most V8 meetings it is Biante & it is the introduction to historics for many of todays generation of race goers - dont make it too hard for the next generation.

[Prickly_Goo]

Ok ok lol, My mistake..

Cavvy, Why not make it hard.. What happened to the days where you had pure Historics, not these Biante things that claim to be Historics?

Group N is a lovely catagory too..

But I guess as parts get harder to find, could we see a new phase of Historics come though?

[cavvy]

Mate,
you havent seen politics like that practiced in historics, aka hysterics.

For you guys I'd say dont worry, enjoy!

For the politicians note that the Stubber Camaro is Group Nc.
Ferdy, Stubber hauled the thing across the Nullabor to Bathurst a couple of years back & was refused a start - some suggest the action of the hysterical officials on that occasion is directly responsible for the Biante Series hot rods.

I'd prefer historics only too, but its a bit late now - love the racing & the Jim Richards Falcon when debuted will kick Biante along.

Take the easy way out Ferdy, go to a historics meeting & enjoy a smorgasbord of fabulous cars, all shapes & sizes.

[Peter Nightingale]

Originally Posted by cavvy

Take the easy way out Ferdy, go to a historics meeting & enjoy a smorgasbord of fabulous cars, all shapes & sizes.

Yes please , do just wait till the NEW GROUP 'u' Historic Sports Sedans come out after June 2008..

[Bullett]

Originally Posted by cavvy

Mate,
you havent seen politics like that practiced in historics, aka hysterics.

For you guys I'd say dont worry, enjoy!

For the politicians note that the Stubber Camaro is Group Nc.
Ferdy, Stubber hauled the thing across the Nullabor to Bathurst a couple of years back & was refused a start - some suggest the action of the hysterical officials on that occasion is directly responsible for the Biante Series hot rods.

But then Stubber left them as soon as they went away from Historics...Then went and bought another so he can't be that upset with the boards. He's a bigger asset to Group N anyway. He used to rock up at other Group N races across Australia other than Biante back when they were Historic. IMO he was part of what made the Biante series, a large part.