[BTCC] BTCC 2021

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by sceptic

In the judicial reports you often see the phrase "This penalty was classed by the BTCC Clerk to be a Strike under CR 4.4.5.", which leads me to believe that any penalty not including this phrase is not a Strike.

So at Thruxton Turkington got a Strike in race 1, and Neate and Ingram in race 2. But no other incidents resulted in a Strike.

At the risk of labouring the point - I'm not certain that Turkington or Ingram received a Strike.
Why do I say this? The BTCC regulations state that a Strike is awarded when a penalty under regulation C1.1.5. - but not for any other regulation.
Neate's penalty was awarded under regulation C1.1.5, but Turkington's was under Q12.21.4 and Ingram's under Q12.21.1.

Neate's penalty in 2020 was also under C1.1.5 - so he is definitely on two strikes and 5 penalty points in the last 12 months. Which, going back to the original thought - it could be that being one strike away from further sanction is part of the reasoning behind sitting out the meeting. Although the strike from 2020 was awarded on 20 Sep, so there is a while yet before that drops off.

[touring fan01]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

At the risk of labouring the point - I'm not certain that Turkington or Ingram received a Strike.
Why do I say this? The BTCC regulations state that a Strike is awarded when a penalty under regulation C1.1.5. - but not for any other regulation.
Neate's penalty was awarded under regulation C1.1.5, but Turkington's was under Q12.21.4 and Ingram's under Q12.21.1.

Neate's penalty in 2020 was also under C1.1.5 - so he is definitely on two strikes and 5 penalty points in the last 12 months. Which, going back to the original thought - it could be that being one strike away from further sanction is part of the reasoning behind sitting out the meeting. Although the strike from 2020 was awarded on 20 Sep, so there is a while yet before that drops off.

you must be still reading an old set of regulations
the 2021 regs says:

Any driver who has received a penalty of any kind, as listed in General Regulations C2.1.1 that relates to driving standards, will (on the judgement of the Clerk Of Course) be given a ‘Strike’.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by touring fan01

you must be still reading an old set of regulations
the 2021 regs says:

Any driver who has received a penalty of any kind, as listed in General Regulations C2.1.1 that relates to driving standards, will (on the judgement of the Clerk Of Course) be given a ‘Strike’.

Just noticed - yes. Thanks.

So looking at C2.1.1, the range of penalties includes a reprimand - so it seems that those drivers who received an official reprimand would also have been recorded as a 'Strike' under BTCC regulation 4.5.5?

If so - the full list of current penalties would read:
Points in last 12 months:
Neate-5
Turkington-3
Butel-3
Gornall-3
Ingram-2
Butcher-2
Brown-2
Cammish-2
Proctor-2
Crees-2

Strikes in last 12 months:
Neate-2
Ingram-2
Turkington-1
Butel-1
Gornall-1
Butcher-1
Brown-1
Cammish-1
Proctor-1
Crees-1
Morgan-1
Sutton-1
Thompson-1

Points this season:
Neate-3
Turkington-3
Ingram-2


And the first of these to drop off is Brown's 2pts and strike from Donington in August, followed by Gornall's 3pts and strike from Knockhill in August.

Of the current drivers - Neate's pts and strike from Thruxton expire on 20 Sep, so a while to go yet.

[sceptic]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Just noticed - yes. Thanks.

So looking at C2.1.1, the range of penalties includes a reprimand - so it seems that those drivers who received an official reprimand would also have been recorded as a 'Strike' under BTCC regulation 4.5.5?

If so - the full list of current penalties would read:
Points in last 12 months:
Neate-5
Turkington-3
Butel-3
Gornall-3
Ingram-2
Butcher-2
Brown-2
Cammish-2
Proctor-2
Crees-2

Strikes in last 12 months:
Neate-2
Ingram-2
Turkington-1
Butel-1
Gornall-1
Butcher-1
Brown-1
Cammish-1
Proctor-1
Crees-1
Morgan-1
Sutton-1
Thompson-1

Points this season:
Neate-3
Turkington-3
Ingram-2


And the first of these to drop off is Brown's 2pts and strike from Donington in August, followed by Gornall's 3pts and strike from Knockhill in August.

Of the current drivers - Neate's pts and strike from Thruxton expire on 20 Sep, so a while to go yet.

No, Butcher has had two in the last 12 months, and as far as I can see Ingram only one.

I may have missed an Ingram one though, so if you tell me where you think he got the first, I'll double check.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by sceptic

No, Butcher has had two in the last 12 months, and as far as I can see Ingram only one.

I may have missed an Ingram one though, so if you tell me where you think he got the first, I'll double check.

Thanks - I'm tracking the following:

Butcher picking up 2 points and 1 strike at Snetterton 2020. Where was the other strike?
Ingram picking up 2 points and 1 strike at Thruxton 2021, and 1 strike at Croft 2020. (Race 2 - 'Tom Ingram was penalised by means of a reprimand for gaining an unfair advantage whereby he was found to have cut the chicane')

[sceptic]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Thanks - I'm tracking the following:

Butcher picking up 2 points and 1 strike at Snetterton 2020. Where was the other strike?
Ingram picking up 2 points and 1 strike at Thruxton 2021, and 1 strike at Croft 2020. (Race 2 - 'Tom Ingram was penalised by means of a reprimand for gaining an unfair advantage whereby he was found to have cut the chicane')

Neither Ingram nor Morgan got a strike in round 20.

Butcher picked up one at each of Croft and Snetterton.

[AnnoyedMoose]

Just catching up on the socials.

Bartrum is not happy about how Neate is being treated - https://fb.watch/5YrdEFBt5H/

[Robshillito1990]

Originally Posted by AnnoyedMoose

Just catching up on the socials.

Bartrum is not happy about how Neate is being treated - https://fb.watch/5YrdEFBt5H/

Aww diddums. Nice to see he calls the majority (because it was a majority of fans saying he shouldn't be on the grid) of fans idiots.

[Pdh]

Originally Posted by Robshillito1990

Aww diddums. Nice to see he calls the majority (because it was a majority of fans saying he shouldn't be on the grid) of fans idiots.

Can’t he give an opinion about it which most fans are saying they are doing about Neate

[AnnoyedMoose]

Originally Posted by Robshillito1990

Aww diddums. Nice to see he calls the majority (because it was a majority of fans saying he shouldn't be on the grid) of fans idiots.

Majority of fans posting on social media is not the same thing as the majority of fans. Generally it's the same few posting the same comments over and over every time either Neate or Hamilton is mentioned.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by AnnoyedMoose

Majority of fans posting on social media is not the same thing as the majority of fans. Generally it's the same few posting the same comments over and over every time either Neate or Hamilton is mentioned.

It's always worth taking care to recognise that the majority of comments does not necessarily mean the majority of people's thoughts.

Remember - 'Empty Vessels Make the Most Noise'

[S griffin]

I notice most comments about Neate have been fair, he hasn’t exactly covered himself in glory, but some comments on social media go too far. You can be critical without being abusive

[antnee]

Whats the story with Shaun stepping away from the team?

[S griffin]

Originally Posted by antnee

Whats the story with Shaun stepping away from the team?

Where did you get that from? I’m wondering if Blundell might take over if that is so

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Where did you get that from? I’m wondering if Blundell might take over if that is so

Shaun already has. I believe his management of Hill is the only involvement he has with the team.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by antnee

Whats the story with Shaun stepping away from the team?

The full story is in Autosport, but in summary:

'2021 started as a conversation with David Bartrum that turned into a conversation to actually merge Motorbase and AmD. Then, he says he knew it was always in the back of his mind that the end of doing touring cars would come at some point. As long as the merger was going well - in his view that was "job done".'
His only BTCC role is now as part of Jake's management team, and as part of the Pitch BTCC production team. He still runs AmD Tuning, but not the BTCC team.

[Matt K]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

The full story is in Autosport, but in summary:

'2021 started as a conversation with David Bartrum that turned into a conversation to actually merge Motorbase and AmD. Then, he says he knew it was always in the back of his mind that the end of doing touring cars would come at some point. As long as the merger was going well - in his view that was "job done".'
His only BTCC role is now as part of Jake's management team, and as part of the Pitch BTCC production team. He still runs AmD Tuning, but not the BTCC team.

Thanks for posting this, I wasn't aware of that as got a bit lost in the whole Motorbase/AmD/Blundell/Osborne story. Although I assumed this is the case when I saw Shaun in Pitch BTCC, would be a bit awkward to have a team owner/boss doing a media job around the paddock.

[Craner Curves]

Great onboard from Nic Hamilton. I don't think I could drive a car like that. Fair play to him. https://youtu.be/8rOHUDBHf3M

[Spanner monkey]

[QUOTE=Craner Curves;4055226]Great onboard from Nic Hamilton. I don't think I could drive a car like that. Fair play to him. https://youtu.be/8rOHUDBHf3M[/QUOTE

Team Hard do some great stuff to show the workings of the team and what it takes to make a race car.
I thought Team Dynamics & WSR with their bigger budgets would of done more stuff to promote themselves and engage the BTCC fans.

[S griffin]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

Great onboard from Nic Hamilton. I don't think I could drive a car like that. Fair play to him. https://youtu.be/8rOHUDBHf3M

That really shows the work behind the wheel. Cheers

[AnnoyedMoose]

Nice video from HARD. Bit weird that they dubbed it to sound like he was commentating while driving but I guess that gets more engagement or some other media thing that I know nothing about. Given the physical limitations Nic is one hell of a peddler for sure.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

Great onboard from Nic Hamilton. I don't think I could drive a car like that. Fair play to him. https://youtu.be/8rOHUDBHf3M

Great stuff!

Sort of related: anyone know how Glynn Geddies car is? Hoping all is well and the lad has a "dull" weekend compared to last time out.

[antnee]

Originally Posted by AnnoyedMoose

Nice video from HARD. Bit weird that they dubbed it to sound like he was commentating while driving but I guess that gets more engagement or some other media thing that I know nothing about. Given the physical limitations Nic is one hell of a peddler for sure.

Not weird at all. Commentating while driving would need mic(s) set up to capture his voice, which could well be quite muffled while driving. Where as dubbing it after makes it nice and clear. The method they have used just needs the go-pro running for the video, then a simple sound file dropping over the top which is much less effort than setting up mics for a quick video.

[AnnoyedMoose]

Originally Posted by antnee

Not weird at all. Commentating while driving would need mic(s) set up to capture his voice, which could well be quite muffled while driving. Where as dubbing it after makes it nice and clear. The method they have used just needs the go-pro running for the video, then a simple sound file dropping over the top which is much less effort than setting up mics for a quick video.

I realise that but that's not the point I was making.

They've added effects to make it sound like he was actually commentating in real time rather than the audio being clear as it would be with a later overlay. It's a weird mix of present and past tense as well.

[Alfisti]

Worked for me. Sounded like we were listening to Nic "live".