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Old 19 Jun 2009, 19:45 (Ref:2486676)   #1
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In the event of FTOTP happening, regulations?

Of course, it is not a given that this series will happen - in deed IMO it is unlikely, but let's assume that this is for real.

The FIA own the copyright on the rules. They don't own the copyright on racing with 2400cc 90 degree V configuration eight cylinder engines though.

Any thoughts? Will it be 2009 rules? They've presumably started developing a car for no refuelling. Will FOTA make other small changes?

They'll need a new tyre supplier, as Bridgestone are under FIA contract in 2010.

Sporting regulations wise, will we see 300km races or anything different? Two types of tyres staying? Who knows.

Of course, I'm only taking this series seriously until it gets a website or something.
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Old 19 Jun 2009, 19:52 (Ref:2486677)   #2
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Michelin tyres, bloody wide and Turbos again. Id be happy..
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Old 19 Jun 2009, 19:59 (Ref:2486680)   #3
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I don't think they will make major technical changes for the first year, it's too late in the day. The new rules would have to come in for 2011 or 2012. It looks like Cosworth could be on the FIA side, could FOTA find an unbadged V8 option or if needed would they allow something like a Judd V10 to race against the V8s?

EDIT : Of course, Judd have their own V8 ... how much could yer squeeze out of that by removing the restrictor plates, and tweaking it - or maybe even supercharging it. Less packaging issues than sticking a V10 in too.
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Old 19 Jun 2009, 20:16 (Ref:2486697)   #4
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Correct me; But I dont think FOTA need an engine supply outside of their own. Now if the others decamped from the FIA...who knows?
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Old 19 Jun 2009, 20:24 (Ref:2486702)   #5
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According to Lee McKenzie's twitter, Lola and Prodrive/Aston Martin will race alongside the current FOTA 8.
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Old 19 Jun 2009, 20:27 (Ref:2486703)   #6
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The 2009 rules have been pretty good so far. Banning KERS and double diffusers for next year should make things interesting. The proposed refueling ban by the FIA is unnecessary. IRL has shown that tyre manufacturers can pretty well cope with the abolition of tyre warmers, so that one could go ahead. It might come at the cost of not being able to run prime and option tyres in one and the same race.

Oh, and since it's the manufacturers' series, they should allow customer cars.
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Old 19 Jun 2009, 22:17 (Ref:2486736)   #7
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Ross has said it'll effectively be the 2010 technical rules - 2009 rules + no refuelling
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Old 19 Jun 2009, 22:58 (Ref:2486753)   #8
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The chassis/engine design rules will be the same as proper F1; the refueling ban has been mentioned by FOTA teams as a good thing; "KERS is evil".

IF a second F1/GP championship were to come about, they need to find a key difference to the race format because it is too late in the day for them to find a technical difference.

At such a late stage, they would also need to find a TV friendly format for an unproven concept (that means adverts)

My suggestion, to meet those aims:

Friday is free practice (maybe put some "rookie driver" claus in to this)
On Saturday & Sunday have the same formant:
10:00-10:30 Qualify
13:00-14:00 1 hour race no refueling or tyre changes


I do not advocate this as a good idea just trying to think of how to make the best of a bad lot
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Old 19 Jun 2009, 22:59 (Ref:2486754)   #9
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Ross has said it'll effectively be the 2010 technical rules - 2009 rules + no refuelling
They really wouldn't want to stray too far away from that would they.
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Sporting regulations wise, will we see 300km races or anything different? Two types of tyres staying? Who knows.
One of FOTAs 'cost cutting' measures is to shorten the distances of races.

"Commitment to recommend new qualifying format
- Radical new points-scoring opportunities (eg, one constructors’ championship point to be awarded for the fastest race pit stop)
- Further testing reductions (four four-day single-car pre-season tests plus one single-car pre-season shakedown)
- Reduction of grand prix duration (250km or a maximum of one hour 40 minutes) pending the approval of the commercial rights holder"
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Ross has said it'll effectively be the 2010 technical rules - 2009 rules + no refuelling
Realistic.
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I wouldn't be at all surprisded if FOTA would adopt the 2010 Formula 1 regulations, if only with a small modifications.
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Old 20 Jun 2009, 08:35 (Ref:2486825)   #13
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Technical: As previously mentioned, pretty much FIA 2010 regulations.

Sporting: Free practise sessions and then: Draw a grid position out a hat for Saturdays 30 minute non-points "quallification race", Sundays race position is based on the fastest lap time from the Saturday race but with the finish position added on. So first gets 1 second added to their time, second, 2 seconds, etc. etc. This gives an incentive to push in the qually race.
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At least I hope the FOTA will get rid of the post-qualifying parc fermé.
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Draw a grid position out a hat for Saturdays 30 minute non-points "quallification race", Sundays race position is based on the fastest lap time from the Saturday race but with the finish position added on. So first gets 1 second added to their time, second, 2 seconds, etc. etc. This gives an incentive to push in the qually race.
That sounds horrible. I would like to see the drivers do a Procar-like sprint race in a spec car on Saturday though.


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At least I hope the FOTA will get rid of the post-qualifying parc fermé.
Why?
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Because the post-qualifying parc fermé is against the spirit of the sport. To get pole position you should be the fastest, not the one with the least amount of fuel onboard. Besides, the post-qualifying parc fermé caused the starting grid to be ordered to the race pace, making the races more predictable.
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Fuel load quali will be gone for next year anyway, because there won't be refuelling. I welcome a return to low fuel quali, but the parc ferme should be kept for other reasons.
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Because the post-qualifying parc fermé is against the spirit of the sport. To get pole position you should be the fastest, not the one with the least amount of fuel onboard. Besides, the post-qualifying parc fermé caused the starting grid to be ordered to the race pace, making the races more predictable.
I agree that all the teams should use the same amount of fuel in qualifying,but that will not be an issue next season anyway.In parc ferme now you can still adjust a number of things on the car (front wing etc),and change certain parts.
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Because the post-qualifying parc fermé is against the spirit of the sport. To get pole position you should be the fastest, not the one with the least amount of fuel onboard. Besides, the post-qualifying parc fermé caused the starting grid to be ordered to the race pace, making the races more predictable.
As duke_toaster said, parc ferme isn't just about fuel loads. You want the current qualifying mode gone, not parc ferme.
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Rules in 2010 wont be much different than the current rules - there's no point in reinventing the wheel, particularly when the focus will be on other things such as the structure of the series, financial arrangements, TV rights etc.

But, I could see some dramatic technical rule changes in future years when FOTA has more time to consider things.
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Fuel load quali will be gone for next year anyway, because there won't be refuelling. I welcome a return to low fuel quali, but the parc ferme should be kept for other reasons.
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I agree that all the teams should use the same amount of fuel in qualifying,but that will not be an issue next season anyway.In parc ferme now you can still adjust a number of things on the car (front wing etc),and change certain parts.
The post-qualifying parc fermé indeed includes more than the amount of fuel. I never denied that.

Despite the 'low-fuel' qualifying laps will return next year, we won't see proper qualifying to return. Drivers are only allowed to change the front wing settings and the tyres. As pure speed isn't required to start from pole position, the rules are still very much against the spirit of the sport.
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