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The future of motorsport in Britain
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interesting = revolutionary.
God bless him if a/ he believes what he says, and b/ he does something about it |
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A good friend of mine had a meeting with Dave Richards reference to Kart racing within the msa, upon entering Daves office he said words to the effect of how long have I got and Daves answer was as long as you would like and he was talking to Dave for over 3 hours and he got the impression that the right man is steering the ship for once,fingers crossed eh
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Sounds good. Obviously I would support anything that promotes doing it for fun rather than only being interested in anything that is a ladder or professional. Even the fun stuff supports a great industry.
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![]() From my point of view the MSA spends too much time (and money) on 'professional' motorsport and their 'ladder' pushing people onwards and upwards. More time and effort on grass roots motorsport please. Less changes to regs that just add cost for very little (if any benefit). |
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There is a philosophical view that doing it for fun is inherently the better reason.
However purely for an economical point of view it would be interesting to see whether amateur or professional brings in more money. It is hard to define which is which. I suspect professional just due to F1 and the sheer number of jobs and cash involved, but I may be wrong as there is a lot of amateur racing if you think about all disciplines and ways to get on track or off track Motorsport. |
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We need to remember that the MSA is a totally self appointed body - albeit a long time ago - but they have no God given "right" to be the UK governing body.
Karting for instance is in rude health, even if MSA regulated owner driver racing is struggling. I'm down in the West country today, at a place Jules Mini will know well, and there will be a great non-MSA kart race with over 100 drivers having a great and safe time. Last week down here was a big national one-make kart series that operates outside the MSA. In cars, there's a track day company running its own sprint series. None of the huge oval scene is governed by the MSA. All of which begs the question: Just what is the MSA *for*?????? Sent from my SM-A520F using Tapatalk |
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I have no major problem with the MSA. They can go OTT sometimes, but the sport does need a regulatory body and most of what they do is good.
Although I like the existence of your other examples. |
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Excuse me for reviving this topic, but are there any sources for tech news about 750 Formula or Bikesports (except their forums). I'm really fed up with all that BoP, standardisation and marketing stuff in international racing. But I haven't found any fresh conversations about these classes (their technical side). Are they sooooo special that almost nobody (aside from actual racers) is interested to talk about?
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Look at the majority of club motorsport meetings these days. How many spectators do you see who aren't one of the above? The clubs and series themselves have their own online presences, whether on their own forum or Facebook, and that's where most of the chat happens. |
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Thanks for the advice. It's logical that this type of racing is popular only among competitors as there's almost no media to cover it. To say the truth, I won't search for it if there're still constructors' championships at the international level like it was in 00's. Today there are only F1 and Super GT left with some freedom for constructors, so I had to search for some other classes to watch. As for lack of media - sometimes it's even better that all the tech information is split into small bits and you have to search it on your own. |
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I gave up on MSA type racing 20 or so years ago, and would never dream of competing in any of thier series,.
They suck the life out of a lot of things, are rich beyond dreams and are over sensitive to situations I am afraid. Why are we the only country with the insane level of over moderation regarding spectators on rallies for instance, when you look at the rest of Europe, I know why now, but initially? Cmon for Gods sake, insurance? Give me a break, that could be overcome so easily if they stepped in and helped out. they do good yes, but for me they are inept, hopeless and utterly out of date. To ace in anything I need to join clubs, take an utterly pointless and pathetic test even to do bloody drag racing, (basically to feed the coffers even more and keep the over involved insurers at bay), join a club, that doesn't mean I can always race where I want,m so have to join other clubs, pay exorbitant entry fees and be dictated to by people that have no idea what they are doing. Example: Single venue rally at Snetterton today. All crews HAVE to take a spare wheel, why? So Palmer doesn't have to re lay any asphalt, they have to take yellow jackets with them on stage, he entire event is in the sodding daylight? It's craziness and ruining the sport on every level that this man is allowed to dictate tripe like this for events at his venues, I would tell him to stick it up his wotsit and find another venue. |
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"Find another venue" - be my guest. Rallying is losing venues, new ones are hard to come by and if getting them / keeping them means carrying a spare wheel then it's a small price to pay. We've had other stipulations beyond the 'puncture' one - "keep off the grass" at Marham and "keep off the daffodils" at Goodwood for example - again it's a condition of using the venue so you live with it. The only part I don't quite understand is why a rally competitor gets billed for damage caused to the circuit but a circuit racer doesn't? The circuit rally events are a good platform for raising awareness of the sport and may get more people interested / involved. Certainly having events at MSV circuits has raised the profile of club level rallying - there were people at the Brands rally that had never been to a rally before, they were there because they go to touring cars and had seen the rally being promoted by MSV so came along to have a look. That's got to be positive for the sport surely? |
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Agree on the crowds - I have seen far far bigger crowds watching the circuit rallies at Oulton, Donington and Snetterton than watch club racing, or indeed any national racing outside BTCC. |
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So, lose the crowds on circuit races, if no-one goes to watch it.
Most rallies are free, MSV only makes you pay to pay for a championship, and they were always cheap initially until Palmer realised how much money he can make. There were a few people watching at Snett this weekend gone. As for the spare tyres, the road events I can understand, why should the council have to pay for damage, but on tracks, it's a private venue FFS, and the stages are also designed to be miles away from people and any obstacles, woe betide anyone hits a fence. I get it I really do, but dumbing it down to such a level is not going to appease speccys for long. And I have seen lots of footage from Riponian and Cambrian, not much evidence of pens on either, about time this was all dropped and a pass introduced for poeple who spectate regularly and understand the risks, allowing them to go anywhere within reason |
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Unfortunately the increase in the need to apply restrictions on spectators on rallies is directly related to the increase in the number of people who don't have sufficient common sense to keep themselves safely out of the way.
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It is mainly due to what happened in Scotland a few years ago and the MSA cacking themselves as a result.
Some system of training and then banding would easily sort this out, I would happily pay for a band or pas that would allow access to stages in receipt of the required training and awareness. But no, treat everyone the same as usual, a few were idiots so in the MSA's eyes you are all are. Genius |
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Too many series with too few entries doesn't help. I'm at Oulton now watching the grand total of 6 TCR/TCT cars go round!
MX5's barely in double figures, same with the FF1600s. Only the Civic EP3s have a full grid. My Son is coming along later, bought up on a diet of blancpain (40+ car grids) and F1. I doubt he'll be impressed with today's grassroots offering. I understand that combining series isn't as simple as it sounds, but there must be a better answer than this? |
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And if F1 is the benchmark for your Son, then its a pretty low bar if you know where to look. If Oulton is your local circuit CSCC are the May Babk Holiday saturday and monday. Enjoy. |
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I was back doing my hack role at CSCC and , as said , if you want to see how club racing can work , go to a CSCC meeting. Huge entry and simply extraordinary diversity of cars , from Frogeye Sprite , via Skyline and 911, to Cortinas and Sevens.
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Unfortunately the three club meetings running over the UK this weekend (one BARC, two BRSCC) are showing absolutely the worst of British motor racing. The entries across the board are terrible, even championships with 30+ car grids have dropped into the low teens.
That's just the nature of the sport, some championships rise and others fall. The one consistency is that there's too much on offer and that's only going to get worse. There's always a reason for a championship not working but I feel many organisers live in blissful ignorance, or just don't care. |
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In addition to the sparse nature of some of the grids, a further concern is the lack of marshals at events. Since this season started, I've received an email every couple of days from one organising club, or another, highlighting shortages at their events. It wasn't that long ago that such pleas for help were pretty rare, and generally not this early in the year. |
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There appears to be no will at Motorsport UK to cull under performing championships. They charge for championship permits and seem only to happy to keep taking the money without looking after the best interests of motorsport.
They need to force poorly supported series to merge or be culled. Spectators are not going to pay hard earned money to watch 5 cars go around a track, I won't call that a race. Marshals don't want to give up their time and at their own expense to stand trackside for poorly supported events, often in poor weather. I know I used to be a marshal and soon started to look at entry lists and attend only events I felt were worthwhile. The organising clubs seem to be unwilling to cull poor championships instead quite happy to fill a race card with low grid races and keep taking entry fees. They should be amalgamating grids, there are too many one makes series that could be put together with individual classes, I'm sure drivers would rather be in a race of 25-30 other cars rather than competing against a single figure grid. Motorsport UK has make noises about taking action against this sort of problem in the past but have still failed to do so. |
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![]() The point I'm making is that, for somebody new to grassroots motorsport, a racecard full of empty grids is a massive turn off. These lessons have all been learned before so instead of re-learning them why don't the clubs, organising and sanctioning bodies work together and stop it happening? P.s. Just for the record my Son ended up going with a friend and stuck it out all day but the first thing he said to me when he came in was "you wouldn't believe the TCR/TCT grid, 7 cars, why do they hold races with so few entries?" ME: "well you know how it is Son, racing is expensive, and they're probably hoping to grow the grid later in the year". SON: "Mmmm, I don't understand why they don't combine the grids with another championship?". ME: "Mmmm, yeah" |
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