Renault Dismiss Flav and Pat or Oh dear… Here comes trouble - Page 3

Marbot · 31 Aug 2009, 00:14 (Ref:2531595)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

I thought of that too, but what really sounds troublesome is that, if all this is true, Piquet Jnr career is permanently damaged while if he has silenced about this he would still have a fair chance to put it on rails again and move on.

The problem with Piquet is that he comes with a lot of 'baggage'.It's difficult to imagine another team taking the same risks that Renault has just to employ a 'so-so' driver.They'd be better off with 'old-sour-puss' Bourdais.

There is also talk that Piquet LTD will be buying their own F1 team....possibly Renault.

flashing · 31 Aug 2009, 01:35 (Ref:2531629)

I think this has the potential to be pretty serious for all involved should Renault be found to have a case to answer.

This is not a case of a driver doing something on the spur of the moment in the heat of battle. Race strategy and therefore fuel loads are something decided by a group of senior people before the race. They would have presumably have run it through the simulation software and worked out all the angles and certainly all the people on the ‘prat-perch’ would be aware.

Again, innocent before found guilty and all that, but if this turns out to be true then the Renault F1 team, and not just Piquet are in a heap of trouble.

csirl · 31 Aug 2009, 12:22 (Ref:2531809)

It's possible that someone has made a "formal complaint" in writing to FIA, so FIA has to investigate. Assuming that the allegation is based on someones comments rather than physical evidence I dont see any action being taken - hearsay is not enough.

strider · 31 Aug 2009, 12:29 (Ref:2531812)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

Jamesy did...

Thanks for clearing up that point.

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Originally Posted by Bononi

thought of that too, but what really sounds troublesome is that, if all this is true, Piquet Jnr career is permanently damaged while if he has silenced about this he would still have a fair chance to put it on rails again and move on.

I agree. What puzzles me about this whole incident is why someone in Brazil has decided to bring this to light now. What do they hope to gain? From what I see, there can only be losers if it is found to be true.

Yannick · 31 Aug 2009, 12:38 (Ref:2531818)

This scam is only meant to sell tickets for Singapore.

Marbot · 31 Aug 2009, 13:38 (Ref:2531838)

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Originally Posted by strider

From what I see, there can only be losers if it is found to be true.

Not if it can be 'swept under the rug'.

scoobiesnoop · 31 Aug 2009, 14:09 (Ref:2531853)

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Originally Posted by littleman

Schumacher's pathetic "accident" in Monaco qualifying was surely as bad as anything Renault may have done in Singapore.Ferrari must have known about that but didn't suffer any fall out. I seem to remember BOTH Ferrari's spinning off at Silverstone as well, just to make sure they avoided qualifying in the rain.

Apparently,selling your soul to the Devil doesn't concern the World of F1.

Schumachers 'pathetic accident' was one made by schuey himself. It was a pretty straight forward attempt to gain an advantage in qualifying. If Renault have indeed asked Piquet to crash, that is a TEAM cheating and therefore much more serious. Also the FIA doesn't like it when there is puposeful danger to human life. I'm not saying that Piquets life was in danger but he crashed into a wall at speed erm, he was in a certain amount of danger. I reckon if found guilty the FIA would have no option but to exclude them from the 08 championship, hit them up for at least $100 million (ala McLaren) and then because there was a human element ban then from the rest of the season and all of next season. All of which would probably be enough for Renault to call it quits. Having said all that I can't imagine that Briatore, as crazy as he is, would instruct a driver to crash a car on purpose. If that is the case I hope he gets whats coming to him.

Marbot · 31 Aug 2009, 14:24 (Ref:2531859)

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Originally Posted by scoobiesnoop

Having said all that I can't imagine that Briatore, as crazy as he is, would instruct a driver to crash a car on purpose.

FB: Nelson! A theenka theeza tarm eeza nata ta craazh you know!

NP: What's that Flav!? You want me to crash!?....OK.

**Adam43** · 31 Aug 2009, 14:25 (Ref:2531861)

I thought it was odd that the FIA hadn't persecuted anyone for a bit.

Marbot · 31 Aug 2009, 14:35 (Ref:2531867)

Nothing on the FIA website yet.Maybe it's Max's idea of a joke? A sort of 'leaving present' to Flav.

AshMcD · 31 Aug 2009, 14:39 (Ref:2531869)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

Here we see Piquet practicing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feXvq...eature=related

and then...

He didn't spin, he was just doing a doughnut for the fans...

Ahem...

Mekola · 31 Aug 2009, 16:21 (Ref:2531926)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

No.

Get back to discussing the investigation of a race from ages ago.

When are they doing Suzuka 1990 etc...?

And Nelson Sr.'s wins in Argentine-San Marino 1981 with an illegal car? Perhaps Reutemann could claim his title after all this time?

Most seriously, I think Nelsinho should be more cautious about what he says. It seems to be a "loose cannon" trick as he did his father, and if he wants to be in F1 he should preserve his image, and even help his stepbrother Pedro, who is a kid who has F1 aspirations, too.

Ralf's Girl · 31 Aug 2009, 18:57 (Ref:2532020)

I thought we discussed this on the forum at the time and decided that Piquet was too rubbish to crash strategically?

Marbot · 31 Aug 2009, 19:06 (Ref:2532023)

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Originally Posted by Ralf's Girl

I thought we discussed this on the forum at the time and decided that Piquet was too rubbish to crash strategically?

I think that we decided that Piquet could not have done that all by himself,having to decide that the best strategy for the good of the team would be to throw the car at the scenery.

However,I can well believe that having been told to do the deed,then there would be no better driver for the job because he's had loads of practice.

Ralf's Girl · 31 Aug 2009, 19:09 (Ref:2532024)

I think if the team told him to crash on purpose he would have done a cack-handed job of it and got it wrong. I really think it was just Piquet being Piquet.

Pingguest · 31 Aug 2009, 19:28 (Ref:2532035)

I don't think Renault will be in trouble. If true, the FIA won't be able to find evidence. Maybe Piquet is willing to testify but that won't do his Formula 1 career much good, would it?

Marbot · 31 Aug 2009, 19:30 (Ref:2532037)

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Originally Posted by Ralf's Girl

I think if the team told him to crash on purpose he would have done a cack-handed job of it and got it wrong.

He did! I think he intended to wipe all four wheels off.

He wouldn't have to try too hard at that particular circuit in order to bring out the safety car.Not saying that he did it on purpose,but it would be an easy track to have a very good chance of being successful if you did.

Marbot · 31 Aug 2009, 19:35 (Ref:2532039)

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Originally Posted by Pingguest

I don't think Renault will be in trouble. If true, the FIA won't be able to find evidence.

So why bother looking for it in the first place?

A South American TV station broadcasts the story,and usually no one would take that much notice.I don't think that the FIA have sprung into action just because of something one of its members saw on TV.

jab · 31 Aug 2009, 19:51 (Ref:2532060)

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Originally Posted by Pingguest

Maybe Piquet is willing to testify but that won't do his Formula 1 career much good, would it?

I'm not sure. He can just say he was following team orders, so I don't think it would damage his rep that much, especially considering it's in tatters already having been so dreadful at Renault to start with

**chunterer** · 31 Aug 2009, 20:01 (Ref:2532073)

I would've thought that if something is proven, then that wil surely hasten Renault ending funding for Flavio's team.

No wonder other backers have been linked to Enstone lately!!

Satorian · 31 Aug 2009, 20:04 (Ref:2532078)

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Originally Posted by jab

I'm not sure. He can just say he was following team orders, so I don't think it would damage his rep that much, especially considering it's in tatters already having been so dreadful at Renault to start with

Well, and the rep from this particular issue would be "Does exactly what team manager demands". Not going to scare team managers away with that.

Super Hans · 31 Aug 2009, 20:06 (Ref:2532079)

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Originally Posted by Satorian

Well, and the rep from this particular issue would be "Does exactly what team manager demands". Not going to scare team managers away with that.

His loose lips will though.

the sniper · 31 Aug 2009, 20:08 (Ref:2532080)

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Originally Posted by Pingguest

If true, the FIA won't be able to find evidence.

Maybe Piquet Jnr was wearing a wire...? He could have had it on tape as an insurance policy.

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Originally Posted by chunterer

I would've thought that if something is proven, then that wil surely hasten Renault ending funding for Flavio's team.

I can see another £100 Million fine being dealt out by the FIA for Renault, resulting in Piquet Snr buying Renault F1.

chillibowl · 31 Aug 2009, 22:31 (Ref:2532176)

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Originally Posted by the sniper

Maybe Piquet Jnr was wearing a wire...?

even with the most sensitive recoding equipment it would still be impossible to decipher the mumblings Flav uses instead of words.

Mekola · 1 Sep 2009, 02:21 (Ref:2532255)

It seems that Nelsinho doesn't want that his party could be over, in some ways this scandal reminds me the song "Khashoggi's Ship" by Queen.

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