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Old 18 Dec 2019, 08:43 (Ref:3947304)   #61
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i would love the WEC to go to Brands hatch as it is less than 10 miles from me.
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Old 22 Dec 2019, 15:25 (Ref:3948071)   #62
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i would love the WEC to go to Brands hatch as it is less than 10 miles from me.
It would be a shambles. Too narrow, no overtaking, slightest collision means an off and a safety car. I have never seen a race there which did not have a car needing to be extracted from the sand at the first corner.

It is also accessed by one road and gets horribly jammed at even medium sized meetings. I no longer go to BTCC race days there after twice spending over an hour just getting out of the car park.

Brands is pretty and nicely run. But it is very far from being able to host top flight racing. The SRO GT3 sprints have been embarrassing the last few years and it seems DTM was trying to go elsewhere.
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Old 22 Dec 2019, 19:22 (Ref:3948096)   #63
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Brands is pretty and nicely run. But it is very far from being able to host top flight racing. The SRO GT3 sprints have been embarrassing the last few years and it seems DTM was trying to go elsewhere.
Having only been there once in about 15 years (British GT this year), I'm wondering what has changed since the days of regular F1 and WSC etc that makes the circuit now so unsuitable?
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The cars. Safety standards. Demands of the fans.

It’s rarely mentioned round here, but it’s all gone to pot.
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I did have a nice breakfast when I was there. That must count, surely?
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Of course. They should race at Snetterton
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Having only been there once in about 15 years (British GT this year), I'm wondering what has changed since the days of regular F1 and WSC etc that makes the circuit now so unsuitable?
Attitudes to safety is a big one. Multi-class racing too. Although WSC was, it wasn't like LMP1 down to GTE-Am differences. And we've got a lot of Am drivers in the series now.

They'd 'fit' around Brands, but I think it'd be a pretty bad race tbh.
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Attitudes to safety is a big one. Multi-class racing too. Although WSC was, it wasn't like LMP1 down to GTE-Am differences. And we've got a lot of Am drivers in the series now.

They'd 'fit' around Brands, but I think it'd be a pretty bad race tbh.
Yes, I guess you're right, we only had C1 and C2 in those days and mostly pro drivers....
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I think that's a point that was missed, by me among others. In the Group C days, there was just two prototype classes heavily populated by pros and quick gentlemen who were a match for the pros.

Today, you have four classes, two prototype and two GT classes. And even though it's not as bad as it could be most of the time, I'm still weary of some of the am/gentleman drivers, and I'm just a fan on the outside looking in.

There's plenty of good, even fast, gentleman drivers out there and good rookies who are low ranked on the medal system not because of talent but just inexperience and youth. But it takes only one bad apple to possibly spoil the whole bunch. Or one bad move to spoil someone's race in this case.

Mind you, we've seen some Platinum rated pros make some mistakes and bad calls on their part that ruined their own or someone else's race, too. It's called being human, and we're not infallible.
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It doesn't sound any worse than a number of the tracks on the IMSA slate. Brands is no narrower than Road America; Mosport, VIR, or Sebring away from the pits; and the Daytona infield. And actually, the Daytona banking seems narrower than I expected watching the start of the 2019 race again. i imagine it started at 40 ft, but the SAFER barrier takes 3 out of that, so 37 ft wide.

Any of the tracks that are faster than Sebring have such a large proportion of high-speed corners that any meaningful collision will also lead to an off, and almost certainly a pace car here in the States. BTW, the tracks faster than Sebring are VIR, Road Atlanta, Road America, Mosport Park, Watkins Glen, and Daytona.

Bad access, or poorly managed egress, isn't uncommon at race meetings. Getting out of Watkins Glen after the 2009 IndyCar race was a mess. And old road courses that haven't been built over by now have a tendency to be out in rather more rural areas.

As for the cars, are the Hypercars going to be particularly faster than the DPIs? The LMP2s may be somewhat slower even than the IMSA crop. The GTEs may well be right in line with the pace of the old C2s, and both IMSA and WEC will have 3 works teams there. GTD isn't massively slower than GTLM, either, and that's not a complexity that the WEC even has to worry about.

I'm sorry, but too often I feel like I could transliterate "safety standards" and "demands of fans", in WEC jargon, into "not Grade 1, so not good enough for us".

Finally, ALMS worked at Mosport in 2007-08. There wasn't any paved run-off there yet, and it was spectacular to watch, especially in the high-speed corners.

Yes, the Andretti Straight is longer than the run from Surtees to Hawthorn, but it isn't exactly a straight; don't forget why the 2010 ALMS race was red-flagged. Aside from that, the pit straight at Mosport is shorter than the front stretch at Brands. You have a bit of a straight from T1 to T2 at Mosport, but the same applies to the run from Paddock Hill to Druids. You then get more of a straight from Druids to Graham hill than you do from T2 to T3 at Mosport. You don't really get a straight particularly from T3 to Moss at Mosport, but do between Hill and Surtees at Brands. And T4 at Mosport is somewhat notorious itself; even in 2017, you had the #10 Cadillac take out one of the Corvettes there trying to go three-wide.

Beyond that, you don't really get any straights at Mosport, but you do get a short one from Hawthorn to Westfield, a "straight" from Westfield (1st apex) to Sheene, and you also have Clearways. Furthermore, Dingle Dell/Sheene and Stirling's are eased and the straight between them is longer than it was in the Group C days.
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I'm sorry, but too often I feel like I could transliterate "safety standards" and "demands of fans", in WEC jargon, into "not Grade 1, so not good enough for us".
I couldn't disagree more, especially with this line. Many have long advocated for Sebring and Kyalami over Grade 1s. Many would prefer to see Donington over Silverstone. The 'not Grade 1' argument is firmly put to bed now - the next calendar has 3 Grade 2s out of 8.
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It doesn't sound any worse than a number of the tracks on the IMSA slate.
I defer to your greater knowledge of US tracks. As for Brands, please take it from someone who goes there 4 or 5 times a year: WEC would be a complete mess. Someone would get punted off at the very first corner and have to be recovered: safety car. Rinse, repeat. There is no run-off, very little overtaking. Even GT3s are too fast for it. DTM tried to get out of their contract. And those are single class events.

I like Brands, it's pretty and old school (and does a great breakfast). BTCC is fun. It's great for club events and historics. But modern top-level racing, sadly not.
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Akrapovic, the perception that the FIA WEC still wants to be at Grade 1s to project a certain image isn't going to just magically disappear overnight though. And while I'm pretty darn sure that 1959 will remain F1's only ever visit to Sebring, I'm not ruling out that they'll try to make a return to Kyalami at some point (making that a Grade 1).
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