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He ran him off the road and then gave no room on the next apex. Whether you want to argument semantics on the term close the door or not, the accident was 100% predictable. And even though it was Pastors fault, that doesn’t mean much when you’re in the barrier.
My point is - if you’re involved in a lot of accidents, even if they aren’t your fault, you have to look at why. Being in the right doesn’t mean you did everything you could or should do to avoid being driven into. It’s no use being in the right with a broken car. Lewis learnt that lesson and is smarter now than he was back then. The whole world seen that coming except Lewis. 2018 Lewis wouldn’t have put himself in the situation to be taken out like that. Race craft isn’t just about making passes and what not. It’s about reading the situation. Lewis is good at that now. Vettel not as much. Max still treats every corner like a world championship is on the line. |
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I don't disagree, however on this one occasion, it's too easy to pose questions about Max because of his past history and deflect the responsibility from where it should lie - this time.
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All I've got to say is that somebody needs to......."Sue the b*st*rd!!!"
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It looks like Vettel was substantially alongside and Max simply closed down on him and did not leave a car width. To me Max would have the ability and vision to avoid this accident if he wanted to. Max's attitude earlier in the clip after leaving the track and running into Raikkonen is also something to behold. "I tried to do the best I could, he just drives around the outside, he could have just waited for me to come back." (At 1:57 on the video) Seriously?! |
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Max tried to make the corner as best he could to avoid a penalty, but unfortunately then clatters into Kimi.
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Max could have taken the emergency exit and still avoided a penalty (unless he would have gained an advantege).
His goal was not to avoid a penalty but to avoid being passed. It was very clumsy at least, if not intentional to block off Kimi. |
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I think a 5 second penalty was okay and if they hadn't given it I would've understood as well. For me it is hard to say though what is intentional and what is not from behind the keyboard. |
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I would argue it wasn't. When you give zero room to the guy next to you and get run over, it's your fault in my opinion. Verstappen (rightly in my view) simply doesn't let himself be pushed off the track. It's utterly ridiculous why such a thing is allowed in F1, but there you go.
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Max gave Vettel a bit of room, but Vettel was going too fast for the corner
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Max came into F1 with a bullish attitude as a young kid, and everyone very quickly learned not to go near him while racing.
Sorry. I like him. He is making early Schumi balls ups, flexing his muscles and a lot of drivers steer clear of him. Yes, Vettel showed desperation at Spoon. Max will be a WDC at some point. At least he makes F1 worth watching.. |
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Well that says it all. Kimi defending Max, saying it was a tricky situation |
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Not for me. 'Very diplomatic "defense"... From the same: "But it was obviously a bit of an odd situation where we ended up. I don't think he purposefully tried to hit anybody, but this is what happened." Raikkonen did not seem too angry about what Verstappen did at the chicane, although is clear that he would have liked to have been given a bit more room. "I tried to go outside and leave as much as I could," added the Finn. "But he obviously came kind of off the track over the grass kerb part. "Maybe he could not turn more, and maybe he just ended up there. In an ideal world, he should have left a bit more. But I don't know…" Anywho, on to the USA... Last edited by jimclark; 10 Oct 2018 at 23:35. |
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Seemed a very measured and fair response to me.
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By a man who has no interest in bickering in public.
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My pernt exackly. I think that was as much animosity I would (nay, not would, do) expect from Kimi.
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It's not hate at all. Nor is anyone saying that Vettel is overrated. You quoted me and I certainly didn't say that. I do believe that his desperation to keep the title fight alive has caused his racecraft to suffer but you're putting so many eggs in the pudding that you won't need to visit the little boy's room for a week.......
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