DMN, Tin Tops and Rolling Starts

[Big Dave]

Dave i might consider entering one of the races but im not intrested in rolling starts as i think they are un fair and benifit the front few cars.[/quote]

The biggest advantage of a rolling start has to go to little light weight Front wheel drives, unlike a standing start which has to be biassed towards the bigger rwds. Any whay are you not in the front few cars you should be

[Robert Morris]

Big dave the only time a rolling start should be used is for non gear box carts, where if the pack is spread out they get sent around again.
If rolling starts are that good why is the majority of circuit raceing standing?
As for stress on the car will you want rolling start for an auto test ,sprinting and rallying i think not.
I could debate this for hours !

[bdwoody]

robie if done properly a roller is buy far the fairer way of starting ,the problem is drivers try to hold back to gain a run on the guy in front.this then puts the guys behind at a disadvantage.the officials do make us go round again if they feel the grid is too spread out but that just decreases the race distance which is not fair on everyone, but you cant go round all day to get the grid right because of a few opertunists..

[Robert Morris]

Woody you have some very good points should we start a new thread, we will get some very intresting replies ?

[Big Dave]

If rolling starts are that good why is the majority of circuit raceing standing?
As for stress on the car will you want rolling start for an auto test ,sprinting and rallying i think not.
I could debate this for hours ![/quote]

would love rolling starts in Autotesting if this was the case would not of left all my new sump oil in brands paddock then!!!! the biggest problem is a rolling start from forwards to backwards and vise versa

[graham bahr]

Originally Posted by Scooby 96

I'll 2nd that, I seem to recall that the vote at the Drivers meeting at Brands at end of last year was 50/50 rolling /standing. This year regs the starts are 7 rolling 2 standing, not quite 50/50?

no it wasnt 50/50, ultimately thats because the COC's event organising clubs etc deciding that the grid sizes and large disparity between cars ment it was the safest way to start the races so that was how it had to be.

when we first strated doing rolling starts a number of years ago, a lot of drivers werent keen on them, nowdays the vast majority are in agreement it is a safer way to start a race, especially one with big grids

[Scooby 96]

when we first strated doing rolling starts a number of years ago, a lot of drivers werent keen on them, nowdays the vast majority are in agreement it is a safer way to start a race, especially one with big grids[/quote]

Perhaps we could have a vote at years end by all registered drivers and go with the majority next year?

[purplemini]

Originally Posted by Scooby 96

when we first strated doing rolling starts a number of years ago, a lot of drivers werent keen on them, nowdays the vast majority are in agreement it is a safer way to start a race, especially one with big grids

Perhaps we could have a vote at years end by all registered drivers and go with the majority next year?[/quote]

that sounds like a good idea scooby 96

[graham bahr]

Originally Posted by Scooby 96

Perhaps we could have a vote at years end by all registered drivers and go with the majority next year?

you missed my earlier point, it was taken out of our hands, unfortunatly or fortunatly depending on how you see it safety ( or perceived safety) is a higher priority to those higher up the food chain than our personal preferences

fact though this wouldnt of happened on a rolling start

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[Robert Morris]

Unfortunatly rolling starts or standing there are accidents, from time to time.

I thought the real benifit of a rolling start was that you are able to have larger grids. Hence catering for the larger DMN grids.

[graham bahr]

Originally Posted by Robert Morris

Unfortunatly rolling starts or standing there are accidents, from time to time.

I thought the real benifit of a rolling start was that you are able to have larger grids. Hence catering for the larger DMN grids.

the main benifit of rolling starts is that no one can be stalled on the grid thus not move or make a very slow getaway, which isnt quite so bad in a one make series where all the car are very evenly matched but on a grid as varied as a dmn one it can be a huge factor, one made especially risky if a fast car had a bad qualifying session and thus starts at the back when its normal performance says it should be at the front

[chezza]

Originally Posted by Robert Morris

I thought the real benifit of a rolling start was that you are able to have larger grids. Hence catering for the larger DMN grids.

The grids are the same size whether it is a rolling or standing start.

[Copperbottom]

I prefer standing starts

[graham bahr]

done plenty of both, i have noticed rolling ones i pretty much keep my grid position, but have on occassion made up a huge number of places from a standing start, i once made up 13 places from the start to the first corner at silverstone with only 190bhp, it was a great start but at the same time pretty scary as i zig zagged around cars that didnt made it away properly that could of very easily ended up in tears

[chezza]

Well I've not seen anything as such in the bluebook...

[Rod Birley]

Long distance races can have more starters (with a rolling start), such as the Britcar 24hours.

[Eddy V]

Why not do both on the same event? 1 standing, 1 rolling, everybody happy. Or unhappy.

Used to hate rolling starts.

[Copperbottom]

Originally Posted by Eddy V

Why not do both on the same event? 1 standing, 1 rolling, everybody happy. Or unhappy.

Great Idea

[Eric Falce]

Why dont we half half the grid doing standing and half doing rolling starts,great fun,everyone happy and that would fill the grand stands.

[Robert Morris]

yes could even have a pit stop after 5 mins say change 2 wheels.

[Robert Morris]

Now as long as what type of starts , race lenght , points scoreing, etc are published before you sign up for any championship it dose not matter. One must choose which championship you want to do. DMN is good value on track time, with lots of little add on's.
Its been intresting looking at all your comments, and ive enjoyed my first participation.
Ive enjoyed the DMN series for the last 2 years especially the 2 days events.

[# 3]

I agree with Eddy and think that we should take a leaf out of the WTCC book, 1st race is always a Rolling Start, 2nd race is always a Standing Start. Half the wear on clutches and by doing it in that order more chance that you will start the 2nd race.

We should also seriously consider copying their reversing the first 8 finishing places from the 1st race, for the grid for the 2nd race. In DMN we could still do this regardless of class.

Thirdly we could copy their success weight ballast, it is currently being ironed out for next year to be a set amount for a win or a podium place.

[Chris Y]

I don't like standing starts either.

I prefer to sit.

[jonbryant]

Some good points Ash but does DMN really need to play with things to get good racing? Wherever I look in the races there are always battles going on even if it is inter-class battles.

[mig]

Reversing the grid is madness all it will create is more accidents.
Putting weight in cars should also not be done why penalise a driver for being quick its down to the others to get their finger out the rules are free enough to modify your cars and get them up to spec if a driver is not quick enough that is their problem.
I for one prefer standing starts but would not want one at Snetterton, and at other circuits where the start grid becomes spread out like Combe is a good thing a tightly bunched pack streaming in to quarry will no doubt end in tears.The problem is the variation of cars and driver skill (some drivers are very blinkered)and I prefer to start a race in the safeist way possible so we can have a full and exciting race.