Proposed Changes to Flag Regs

[Greem]

Originally Posted by numbersix

Even Clerks make mistakes. It was a specific instance, not a generalisation, and it pee'd me off. I'm better now.

I look forward to the day you get the same instruction from the same clerk at a different circuit. You'll run out of places to play eventually

[exflagman]

Originally Posted by deadsquirrel

Agree between yourselves before first session that yellow flagger says "yellow" and blue flagger puts out the second yellow. The delay in blueflagger hearing the "yellow" and putting yellow out should be 2 seconds or less compared to yellow flagger doing it themselves. Or yellow flagger gives second yellow to blueflagger and blueflagger knows this means to put the flag out directly.

How far can an approaching car travel in those two seconds delay?
Not sure passing a yellow flag to someone else whilst waving your own yellow flag in a clearly visible manner is as simple a task as you suggest, especially in the confined space of many Donington flag posts.

As for numbersix's point, if RC believe that the situation is too dangerous for a Hazzard Board and demands a yellow then under the new scheme I would suggest that they should be considering a red or SC, given that, with a lone flag marshal on the post, a permanently waved yellow negates any real possibility of further effective warning should another incident occur.

[Dave Brand]

Originally Posted by exflagman

How far can an approaching car travel in those two seconds delay?

As anyone who studied engineering back in the days of Imperial units will remember, 60 mph = 88 ft/sec.

So, car travelling at 120 mph will travel 352 ft in two seconds - that's over 100 metres nowadays.

However, I don't think that in the scenario we're talking about the delay would be anything like two seconds.

[exflagman]

So that's 100m less distance the driver has to assess the situation and react! If you are the driver of the car sideways on at the bottom of Deer Leap I guess you might wish that 2 sec/100m extra warning had not been thrown away by someone with zero idea of how things work on the bank.
Given that the idea for this allegedly came from a driver on the race committee I suspect they would be racing in the type of series where lack of marshals is not a problem - unlike the other 95% of drivers out there.

[Woolley]

Originally Posted by exflagman

Given that the idea for this allegedly came from a driver on the race committee I suspect they would be racing in the type of series where lack of marshals is not a problem - unlike the other 95% of drivers out there.

And therefore quite possibly from the sort of series where you could wave 10 yellows on a post and he still wouldn't slow down before blaming the marshals for the resulting accident... allegedly (since I've no idea who he is).

[Ginaro Zukovsky]

Noticed after the two big crashes on the outside of Church at Thruxton in the BTCC today, despite the track being clear we had a waved yellow before Church and double waved at the apex - they were there for 3 laps but we still we had passes under yellow. What would have happened in the event of a car spinning on the exit - an extra yellow would've been stuck out?

[Piglet]

I think the sector was left yellow because of the damage to the barrier, I imagine any further incident in that area would have brought out an immediate red flag.

[yellowspanner]

Originally Posted by Piglet

I think the sector was left yellow because of the damage to the barrier, I imagine any further incident in that area would have brought out an immediate red flag.

Sector was left yellow under direction of race control.