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HSCC CADWELL
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Familiar as the 'Wolds Trophy', a very popular HSCC event.

If enough support, will also feature two Escort races in addition to the usual grids.
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Old 15 Jun 2019, 20:31 (Ref:3911120)   #31
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I was approached at the circuit today asking if my name was Mr Coppice of this domain, admittedly I was spectating at Coppice but there the resemblance ends.
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Old 16 Jun 2019, 17:24 (Ref:3912229)   #32
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Looks like my stealth mode approach is working then ...
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Just having a quick look at the results noticed the F2 Tecno in the CRC race lapped the field albeit small twice in 20 Mins. Haven't seen that before.

4 out of 4 for the cobra in Roadsports.
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Old 16 Jun 2019, 20:08 (Ref:3912262)   #34
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Just back from my first visit to cadwell. Wonderful circuit for a spectator, great photo opportunities due to lack of chainlink fencing, and actually allowing spectators to watch close up without being moved to another county.
Deserved win for Bob Bullen's Anglia in 2nd race after its 1st race damage
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Old 16 Jun 2019, 21:16 (Ref:3912290)   #35
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Wonderful though Cadwell is for viewing and photography compared to many circuits theses days I did note some further signs of "Fence Creep".


Clearly the next logical step would be to join the 2 sections of fencing that now exist at Charlie's to give the place a more cohesive appearance.


BrandS spotted in the cafe during Breakfast both Saturday and Sunday but in each case somehow the opportunity to greet was missed.


I thought that would not much matter as we would be bound to bump into each other out around the circuit ... but that never happened.



During previous visits one of my preferred shooting locations was exactly where the new fencing has appeared. Oh well, at least that forced me to seek out other options.


On Sunday I noticed that spectator count (and more to the point the car count) long the straight between Charlie's and Park was higher than I remember it for previous meetings and so somewhat closely packed right up against the fence. I really doubt the wandering photographers barging through would be welcomed. The density seemed likely to be at least partly the result of the new fencing behind which there seemed to be no spectators at all. (Photo taken on Saturday which seemed to be quieter but from memory it was the same on Sunday.)
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Old 16 Jun 2019, 22:03 (Ref:3912302)   #36
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Sorry to miss you Grant. We were camping close to Halls bends and so I shot some qualifying shots there both days before we headed up to Charlie's to shoot and watch the racing.
I to was disappointed by the two new fences at Charlie's. The new one by the marshal post cuts out the group shot coming up from Coppice and the one you showed blocks the head on as the cars creast the rise. I'm told both were at the insistance of the BSB, along with new red zones for the media bibs.

Really enjoyed the weekend dispite the weather, several small grids and the 450 mile round trip.
Hoping the CSCC are running there next year so I can return.
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Sorry to miss you Grant. We were camping close to Halls bends and so I shot some qualifying shots there both days before we headed up to Charlie's to shoot and watch the racing.
I to was disappointed by the two new fences at Charlie's. The new one by the marshal post cuts out the group shot coming up from Coppice and the one you showed blocks the head on as the cars creast the rise. I'm told both were at the insistance of the BSB, along with new red zones for the media bibs.

Really enjoyed the weekend dispite the weather, several small grids and the 450 mile round trip.
Hoping the CSCC are running there next year so I can return.
Ah!

Charlies.


Yes - didn't get that far round this trip - partly 'cos of the new fence and partly because I was regularly going back to the paddock and trying to save a little time in the travel. Also I was seeking some variety to differentiate images from earlier visits.

The first fence you mentioned has been there for a while (three or four years?) and was indeed a BSB requirement or so I was told around the time it appeared.

The bright and shiny new one seems to be more related to the incident at last year's meeting with the rolling and burning FF1600 of Nelson Rowe - at least by it position if nothing else.

One comment that came up in conversation was that it might be there to prevent members of the public going to help a driver in need although I put that down to traditional British dark humour.

I also noted that the marshals post just before the Gooseneck was not in use and another structure made of scaffold had appeared in what seemed to be a slightly odd location (for flagging) some way from the track and more centrally on the infield. Presumably some sort of trial is on progress.

The media constraints were in place last year as well.

However that seems to be a general trend at MSV sites - maybe other too. Something similar has happened as Donington. And I seem to recall rumours about the same at Brands Hatch.

I guess if, as a circuit owner, you can constrain an insurance liability in some way that allows you to add to profits (or whatever) then you are likely to do so.

As you said, despite the niggles and the weekend's erratic (but not untypical) weather it was still very enjoyable as a place to visit. That it happens to have some motor sport to watch is a bonus!

Until next time - somewhere ...
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Ah!

Charlies.


Yes - didn't get that far round this trip - partly 'cos of the new fence and partly because I was regularly going back to the paddock and trying to save a little time in the travel. Also I was seeking some variety to differentiate images from earlier visits.

The first fence you mentioned has been there for a while (three or four years?) and was indeed a BSB requirement or so I was told around the time it appeared.

The bright and shiny new one seems to be more related to the incident at last year's meeting with the rolling and burning FF1600 of Nelson Rowe - at least by it position if nothing else.

One comment that came up in conversation was that it might be there to prevent members of the public going to help a driver in need although I put that down to traditional British dark humour.

I also noted that the marshals post just before the Gooseneck was not in use and another structure made of scaffold had appeared in what seemed to be a slightly odd location (for flagging) some way from the track and more centrally on the infield. Presumably some sort of trial is on progress.

The media constraints were in place last year as well.

However that seems to be a general trend at MSV sites - maybe other too. Something similar has happened as Donington. And I seem to recall rumours about the same at Brands Hatch.

I guess if, as a circuit owner, you can constrain an insurance liability in some way that allows you to add to profits (or whatever) then you are likely to do so.

As you said, despite the niggles and the weekend's erratic (but not untypical) weather it was still very enjoyable as a place to visit. That it happens to have some motor sport to watch is a bonus!

Until next time - somewhere ...
You can see our cars at the edge of your fence picture, so I was mainly shooting/watching from that area. I did wander down past the said fence a couple of times to get exit of Charlies shots.
There are two fences at Charlies In now, either side of the marshal post, the right hand one has sprung up over last winter.
Not sure what the reasoning is for that.

We witnessed the Rowe incident last year as the car landed close to us. The fencing around that area is still the same and could still be jumped or got through. Looking at the positioning of the chainlinked fencing on the exit I assume it means if there was a similiar incident the marshals and incident officers can now safely attend the driver by moving from their post behind the fence.
Media bibs were allowed to stand in front of the fence, which I always think is odd.

As you say, until the next time
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Old 17 Jun 2019, 07:15 (Ref:3912370)   #39
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I can live with the odd bit of fence , preferring to enjoy Cadwell's unique location and ambience from my favorite spots , which remain unsullied - Hall bends , Mountain entry and (of course) Coppice . MSV are doing a damn good job - every year I see little tweaks, most of which are for the better - this year I liked the interpretative signboards showing the circuit's heritage .


Unlike some venues, not a scrap of litter either.



But HSCC needs to get a grip - FF1600 good(but 2 heats and final next year please) , FF2000 and F3 excellent and road sports ok but come on , if you can only muster a tiny handful for Guards and Classic racing cars it is time to think again surely ? The meeting somehow lacked the fizz of previous years I thought and why no interviews with winners ? The commentary team were spot on but some post race chat would be nice , rather than silence.



Quibbling apart , still the best place to watch racing cars I have ever been
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I was there yesterday and thought the general ambience was good but agree Guards entry on Saturday was poor. A sign of the times that there are now so many race meetings to pick and choose. The weather was OK except a very short shower just before noon and heavier rain towards the end of the meeting, both occurring during Historic Touring Cars to add a bit of spice.


Cadwell is a great place to spectate but competing there always made me feel sick, particularly the Gooseneck and Hall Bends with rapid changes of direction. I think Anglesey will match Cadwell for spectator appeal when HSCC go there in July. I visited the circuit for the first time last year (mid week but with some track activity) and the circuit seems very similar to Cadwell with elevation changes and sweeping curves but with the advantage of wider track and run off areas. And stunning scenery.
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You can see our cars at the edge of your fence picture, so I was mainly shooting/watching from that area. I did wander down past the said fence a couple of times to get exit of Charlies shots.
There are two fences at Charlies In now, either side of the marshal post, the right hand one has sprung up over last winter.
Not sure what the reasoning is for that.

We witnessed the Rowe incident last year as the car landed close to us. The fencing around that area is still the same and could still be jumped or got through. Looking at the positioning of the chainlinked fencing on the exit I assume it means if there was a similiar incident the marshals and incident officers can now safely attend the driver by moving from their post behind the fence.
Media bibs were allowed to stand in front of the fence, which I always think is odd.

As you say, until the next time

Ah, right another fence at Charlie's In. I didn't spot that from any of the locations I used over the weekend.

There also seem to be some posts across the spectator area that I don't recall seeing before. Behind the fence in my photo. I had intended to drive up and find out what they were but the combination of the eventful HFF2000 races and heavy showers meant I didn't get around to it.

Media bibs mean you have insurance and have signed you life away without risk to the circuit so to some extent can do what you want. Or could should you feel it worthwhile. However even that option seems to be slowly being 'de-risked'.

In the huge area of grass in the middle of the circuit one can observed some parked cars belonging to the marshals. Locations where race car incidents have never reached (one assumes). It used to be possible, with a media sign on, to use those locations for photography giving some great opportunities for catching quite unique shots of several parts of the track from one position. However that is no longer allowed. (It's not something I have enjoyed personally but I have seen others taking advantage.)

I think MSV have a particular interest in this areas after the Incidents at Brands when an WTC car (SEAT?) cartwheeled into an area next to a marshals post somewhere near Stirlings and an MR2 went over the fencing and landed in a public area at Paddock Hill bend.

Collecting area can also be the source of excitement - witness the snaps attached that show part of the sequence of events that led to the Guards trophy entry being even smaller than hoped for. They were taken just before the start of the second qualifying session.
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Before I gave up the media bib malarky (at circuits anyway) this was the last media guide I got at Cadwell last year for the VSCC event.

Maybe it's different this year?

The only difference was that I was told by other media bods on the day, that Cadwell had extended the red zone on the outside of the track from Barn a bit further up towards the Hairpin. It's not shown on the plan and wasn't mentioned at sign-on that I recall and I always used to ask at all circuits if there had been any changes from the previous year.

It always used to amuse / concern me at some circuits (not Cadwell) to be told 'you know the rules about where you can and can't go' - quite a blanket assumption I thought.

Or 'if you're where you shouldn't be the marshals will tell you' (had that a few times at Donington where I never got a map or saw one even after asking - until maybe last year after MSV took over, maybe got one then, not sure).
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Before I gave up the media bib malarky (at circuits anyway) this was the last media guide I got at Cadwell last year for the VSCC event.

Maybe it's different this year?

The only difference was that I was told by other media bods on the day, that Cadwell had extended the red zone on the outside of the track from Barn a bit further up towards the Hairpin. It's not shown on the plan and wasn't mentioned at sign-on that I recall and I always used to ask at all circuits if there had been any changes from the previous year.

It always used to amuse / concern me at some circuits (not Cadwell) to be told 'you know the rules about where you can and can't go' - quite a blanket assumption I thought.

Or 'if you're where you shouldn't be the marshals will tell you' (had that a few times at Donington where I never got a map or saw one even after asking - until maybe last year after MSV took over, maybe got one then, not sure).
I think the inside between Charlies and Mansfield is, effectively, out of bounds now - or, if not officially out of bounds as understood by the marshals, no longer of much interest for what is left that can be used. The boundary line in the map is, perhaps, open to interpretation at that location.

On the other hand some of the impact protection stuff around the circuit is pretty darned good. Especially the stuff they have on the inside at Hall Bends.

Adrian Oliver in his Imp went off at some speed and thumped into the barriers with the OS front wing.

When they pulled it out I was expecting to see a lot of crumpled metal and a wheel as a funny angle but no - nothing. They towed the car back to the paddock.

I went to have a look since I found it hard to believe there was no obvious damage and Adrian said that he too was surprised but could not find anything wrong other than some scuffed paint along the side.

He was out in the second race of the day and managed to get fastest lap (according to the commentary) so I presume that all was indeed well.
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Before I gave up the media bib malarky (at circuits anyway) this was the last media guide I got at Cadwell last year for the VSCC event.

Maybe it's different this year?
Talking to a couple of bibs this year that map looks about right. Maybe they are just enforcing those zones ?
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A batch of locations that a lazy spectator can easily access and the reason I will return until the fence fairies have their way.
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