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Old 30 May 2019, 00:39 (Ref:3906860)   #61
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If race control took a more passive approach, as they did across the sport for the first 100 years of motor racing none of this nonsense would be required.

The ability to review every incident in detail and apportion blame has not benefited the sport at all.

And this is compounded by a penalty system that lacks clarity, is opaque to the keen motor sport follower, let alone the casual viewer and is applied inconsistently within a single race let alone across an entire season.

Race control should limited penalties to clear breaches of safety (eg speeding in pit lane or jumped starts) and not try to apply a penalty system that treats motor sport as some kind of ball sport where penalties can be apportioned should competitors come into contact.

Motor sport does not need referees or umpires to provide a safe and enjoyable sport for competitors, spectators and TV viewers.

I'd love to see this for say 5 or 6 rounds and see where we are, and what the racing looks like by that last round.
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Old 30 May 2019, 02:49 (Ref:3906869)   #62
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I'd love to see this for say 5 or 6 rounds and see where we are, and what the racing looks like by that last round.
The square ups would be amazing to watch, especially if you were out of a deal for next year.
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Old 30 May 2019, 04:58 (Ref:3906873)   #63
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The square ups would be amazing to watch, especially if you were out of a deal for next year.
Like Crompton on Steven Richards.
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Old 30 May 2019, 12:49 (Ref:3906955)   #64
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The rule is clear that in rejoining the circuit you can't gain an advantage. It doesn't say "you can't gain a position".
This is a concept which I dislike. At a British circuit with tarmac run-off where cars often run wide we're often asked if the driver gained an advantage. to which I want to reply "Well, he left the circuit and isn't in the wall or gravel or bouncing across rough wet grass, so effectively, yes, he did." More to the point he didn't suffer any disadvantage, and if you go off track, you should.

Maybe motorsport as a whole needs to advocate that if you leave the circuit then you drop to the back of everyone on the same lap as you, or perhaps a mandatory drive through? It's a plague and I hate it.
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This is a concept which I dislike. At a British circuit with tarmac run-off where cars often run wide we're often asked if the driver gained an advantage. to which I want to reply "Well, he left the circuit and isn't in the wall or gravel or bouncing across rough wet grass, so effectively, yes, he did." More to the point he didn't suffer any disadvantage, and if you go off track, you should.

Maybe motorsport as a whole needs to advocate that if you leave the circuit then you drop to the back of everyone on the same lap as you, or perhaps a mandatory drive through? It's a plague and I hate it.
Is Herr Tilke to blame for this creeping in?
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This is a concept which I dislike. At a British circuit with tarmac run-off where cars often run wide we're often asked if the driver gained an advantage. to which I want to reply "Well, he left the circuit and isn't in the wall or gravel or bouncing across rough wet grass, so effectively, yes, he did." More to the point he didn't suffer any disadvantage, and if you go off track, you should.

Maybe motorsport as a whole needs to advocate that if you leave the circuit then you drop to the back of everyone on the same lap as you, or perhaps a mandatory drive through? It's a plague and I hate it.
I agree. The concept of motor racing (as in general driving) is to remain on the bitumen. Too often now drivers are using 'run off' areas to advantage and without consequence. You don't see too many drivers using the run off area at Reid Park - McPhillamy at Bathurst do you? It's one thing to have an area so that a small mistake doesn't out you in a barrier but its gotten out of hand and drivers just see it as an opportunity to blend the circuit to how it suits them.
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Is Herr Tilke to blame for this creeping in?
Partly for sure.

I'd say subpar education and the *******ization of the English language are also to blame - advantage has a very clear definition. It doesn't mean you gain a position (although that does seem to be the contemporary definition).

I'm lucky enough to watch a fair bit of motorsport and this issue isn't confined to Supercars by any means.
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advantage has a very clear definition.
But it's also comparative. Advantage compared with running wide on a surface which isn't the same as the race track? Then it's a yes...
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My take on the rejoin issue is if you fall off the sweeper for any reason from Flag Point 5 onwards you must rejoin PRIOR to Flag Point 7 (aka The Tank), this eliminates the head on issue McLaughlin mentioned.

They could also put a tyre wall in to block the turn 8 short cut similar to the one before turn 3 at Sandown to stop the off at 1 rejoin at 3 short cuts there.
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