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View Poll Results: Which will be the first 2020 GP? | |||
Australia | 0 | 0% | |
Bahrain | 0 | 0% | |
Vietnam | 0 | 0% | |
China | 0 | 0% | |
Netherlands | 0 | 0% | |
Spain | 0 | 0% | |
Monaco | 0 | 0% | |
Azerbaijan | 0 | 0% | |
Canada | 2 | 5.13% | |
France | 2 | 5.13% | |
Austria | 1 | 2.56% | |
Britain | 3 | 7.69% | |
Hungary | 0 | 0% | |
Belgium | 3 | 7.69% | |
Italy | 0 | 0% | |
Singapore | 2 | 5.13% | |
Russia | 0 | 0% | |
Japan | 2 | 5.13% | |
United States | 1 | 2.56% | |
Mexico | 0 | 0% | |
Brazil | 0 | 0% | |
Abu Dhabi | 2 | 5.13% | |
Somewhere else | 0 | 0% | |
There will not be a 2020 GP | 21 | 53.85% | |
There will never be another GP | 0 | 0% | |
Voters: 39. You may not vote on this poll |
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25 Aug 2021, 10:11 (Ref:4070293) | #2126 | |
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Apparently there are literally no beds available in any hospital that F1 would use for care in case of an accident or any other reason medical care for the group is needed. Things will change, they might even get worse.
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25 Aug 2021, 13:30 (Ref:4070328) | #2127 | |
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And other reports of no COVID beds, most hospitals retain a few emergency beds outside of their vent/Covid care protocols. And a few reports from UT Health and the state board that reports of being full are not accurate so pick your source and go with it I guess.
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25 Aug 2021, 13:58 (Ref:4070334) | #2128 | |
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I believe they can expand up/down as needed, but some are at (or beyond) the levels that they want to be at. But I suspect the situation is less about space (although some have had to create additional space to support the pandemic) and rather maybe about staffing issues (limited staff, staff burn-out due to ongoing high workloads/hours, etc.). So the problem is real.
Regardless. We know of the requirement that a medical helicopter be able to transport emergency patients. And if the weather is bad enough to ground the helicopter, the event/session can't take place. Can anyone point to a document that the FIA uses to determine the minimal requirements to run an event (or session at an event). I can imagine they may require something like a level 1 trauma center be within a specific minimal flight time. However, do they go the next step and look at local conditions at that trauma center (such as available beds... or can the facility currently support X number of level 1 trauma cases) during the period of the event? I suspect (looking at thing today) they can support emergency situations. What they are not doing is elective or non-critical surgeries, etc. And of course the worn out staff would love for everyone to just go get vaccinated! Richard |
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25 Aug 2021, 15:11 (Ref:4070345) | #2129 | |
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It would be quite a political nightmare if F1 had a GP in a location that could hinder medical places that treat covid patients, especially if the area is near critical
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25 Aug 2021, 15:20 (Ref:4070349) | #2130 | ||
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given the number of sporting events which have already taken place in 'hot spots', will it really be a problem for F1 to do likewise?
at this point, sports seems to have been largely given a pass no? cynical of me to say, but ability to travel without quarantine rules seems to be a bigger factor then local hospital capacity. |
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25 Aug 2021, 16:01 (Ref:4070360) | #2131 | ||
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Somewhat answering my own question above. I think there is really no way to easily measure local medical capacity at local hospitals in a way that would work for F1. When FP1 is about to start, does race control phone the local hospital and say "how many beds to you have ight this minute?" Even if they get an answer they like, that value could deteriorate seconds after they hang up the phone. Note, I am not advocating for/against having the GP in COTA for 2021 or trying to downplay the current Covid situation. Richard |
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25 Aug 2021, 16:01 (Ref:4070361) | #2132 | |
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It depends how bad the situation is and how bad the quarantine is and how much it will impact the medical situation there
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25 Aug 2021, 16:37 (Ref:4070366) | #2133 | ||
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What is discussed here is... * Who is vaccinated or not * Are kids in classroom or virtual * What level of local (state/county/city) mandates (usually masks, but sometimes number of people) are in place. * Business starting to impose vaccination requirements * Infection numbers and impact to healthcare system (to a much lesser degree) From a sporting perspective, there is occasional discussion about whatever protocols any given series has in place. Richard |
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25 Aug 2021, 17:04 (Ref:4070376) | #2134 | |
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F1 has continued to follow protocol wherever it’s gone, so there’s no reason why they shouldn’t if and when they go to Austin
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25 Aug 2021, 18:04 (Ref:4070386) | #2136 | ||
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I scanned through the document. I may have missed something, but broadly it seems the focus (for this topic) is on... * Capabilities at the on-site medical center and track itself. * Transportation capabilities (helicopter, etc.) * Local hospital capabilities (limited scope) There is also apparently an overall "emergency plan" that is to deal with many situations including when something is so large it overwhelms the capabilities of the on-site medical center. While the structure of those plans might be somewhat boilerplate, I would think that these days they should address Covid/pandemic impacts in those plans. As to local hospital capabilities, there is a check to make sure they have adequate surgical staff for a few specialties (imagine treating serious trauma) as well as appropriate blood supply. Nothing about available beds. There is to be a check-in/coordination with the hospital no later than 2 months prior to an F1 event. There is a desire for conditions at the hospital to not change on the run-up to the event outside of force majeure. Areas that I think might be of concern by my reading. 1. It doesn't take into account dynamic situations. The document broadly assumes that if the hospital has staff and blood, then they are good. No mention of capacity. 2. What happens if things change after that 2 month check-in? I assume a big Covid spike might be a force majeure event with respect to local medical capabilities? 3. There is also paramedic needs for the event. I know that during some Covid peaks in the US that there was a real shortage of paramedic staff with people having to wait hours to get ambulance service to hospitals. I expect the event would pull in spare resources from the general Austin area, but if they are short handed, then it might be difficult to staff the event. I say this without knowing how many resources they ask to be on-sight for an F1 race. Overall, like most FIA regulations. There is "as written" and "as actually implemented". I expect that if in the run-up to the event that it is clear that the local hospitals can't service the event in the spirit the F1/FIA wants, that someone will ring the alarm bells. There is a concept of a "Chief Medical Officer" called out in those regulations. I don't know if that is a FIA role that is event specific or might be a role that is filled for the season. Either way, it sounds like it would be the responsibility of that person to ring the alarm bells if they feel local medical infrastructure is at risk as it seems to be on them to coordinate all of these items. Richard |
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25 Aug 2021, 19:02 (Ref:4070392) | #2137 | |
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The FIA CMO for Formula One is Dr Ian Roberts. The guy who hoiked Romain Grosjean over the barrier in Bahrain last year.
He doesn't just spend race weekends sitting on his butt in a fancy car! |
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25 Aug 2021, 19:26 (Ref:4070396) | #2138 | ||
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With NFL starting and kids Chuck ball on Saturdays the USGP should not be under any possibility of cancellation despite it being in Texas who along with Florida own some of the stupidest politicians in the Western World. These days you have to be extremely stupid to earn that title
Mexico and Brazil will almost certainly be cancelled with these areas on red list Turkey also has a problem. |
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26 Aug 2021, 00:16 (Ref:4070422) | #2139 | ||
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There is also the Grand Prix Medical unit that attends events in Europe, that is capable of emergency stabilization of two patients concurrently - not up to date on this. All circuits that are not able to use this are forced to build and staff (whose qualifications and competency are certified by whoever replaced Sid Watkins) a hospital for this emergency stabilization. |
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26 Aug 2021, 17:34 (Ref:4070523) | #2140 | |||
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a nice selling feature for tracks set up next to hospitals. and i would also guess that the need to have a hospital with specific facilities and units available nearby as a prerequisite has lent itself to seeing these local hospitals (along with other required infrastructure) receive upgrades over the years in order for the area to maintain their events. so is it possible that the local area hospital (the hospital used in Austin in this case) has already made the upgrades required (add beds/staff) to both host the GP and to deal with their local covid responsibilities? rather, because they knew the GP was coming during covid, they may have taken steps to ensure their covid care is not compromised. perhaps even a step they would not have considered had the GP been canceled outright? obviously just speculating and maybe this is wishful thinking, but sports can have ancillary benefits to local communities beyond just restaurant and hotel usage. |
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26 Aug 2021, 17:43 (Ref:4070527) | #2141 | ||
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Seems you can have an Open Tennis Tournament but not a GP?
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26 Aug 2021, 17:49 (Ref:4070528) | #2142 | ||
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26 Aug 2021, 17:55 (Ref:4070530) | #2143 | ||
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Understand they are negotiating a bubble for the Open as reported today. Not same limits as earlier this year
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26 Aug 2021, 21:28 (Ref:4070553) | #2144 | ||
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That is a political battle that requires agreement between state and federal governments.Given the current Covid situation in Australia that seems a long way off.I would bet on Aus Open or rather it’s replacement as Grand Slam event taking place in Middle East next year.
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27 Aug 2021, 05:15 (Ref:4070594) | #2145 | |
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I doubt any tennis player will volunteer for hotel quarantine again if their reaction to last year is anything to go by. At the moment it is political pistols at ten paces and we will see who is still standing when the shooting stops. The natives are getting restless and the pollies are ducking for cover hoping the storm will not blow their house down.
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27 Aug 2021, 13:51 (Ref:4070662) | #2146 | ||
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I think that must be a Tentenths record for the number of metaphors in a single paragraph
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27 Aug 2021, 14:12 (Ref:4070663) | #2147 | |
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With Turkey in the red zone, there’s a good chance the GP will be cancelled for a second. Mugello has been named as a possible replacement, so watch this space
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27 Aug 2021, 21:41 (Ref:4070723) | #2148 | ||
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Take title of the first ever world championship GP ever! At Silverstone. Before people got so worked up about such things.
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