Duma Dump Spence?

[rlinter]

A rumour doing the rounds is that Duma Racing will not be fielding Jamie Spence at the weekend but an as yet un-named American instead.

Anyone heard anything more?

[jiggly_puff]

ooooooooohhhh thats quite interesting!!!!! will have to see if he is testing or not!

[rlinter]

Originally posted by jiggly_puff
ooooooooohhhh thats quite interesting!!!!! will have to see if he is testing or not!

A whisper that came in a PM confirms that is a fact and hints who is replacing him - and it is NOT Edwards.

[Marshal]

Interesting, but it sounds as though this mystery American won't have enough seat time to do themselves justice. No clues?

[ghinzani]

Its defo not gonna be Paul - if he had the money he would be running with "the Doc" still. Based on who has been sniffing round a ride its either Phil Geibler (whose ride ended in Germany pretty early) or Richard Antinucci, who doesnt seem to be mentioned alongside a Manor ride anymore - perhaps a reflection of his inability to make it 5 outta 5 F Renault titles for the team?

[rlinter]

Originally posted by Marshal
Interesting, but it sounds as though this mystery American won't have enough seat time to do themselves justice. No clues?

I suspect it is Geibler based upon where the news came from.

[jiggly_puff]

Originally posted by rlinter


I suspect it is Geibler based upon where the news came from.

never heard of him! but he can't really do that much in one race can he!!!!

[ghinzani]

Phil Geibler? raced a bit for G+M this year in Germany but then stopped, dunno if he hadnt paid his bills or what? anyway was sposed to be running at the Zandvoort Masters race for Docking I think, dunno if he did. He was one of the Valvoline scholarship runners who ran in winter FPA in 99-2000 - Jeremy Shaw does a great job organising it. Cant remember what his results where, just remember Edwards won it by winning three out of four races. Anyway he knows F3 cars from German F3.

[bella]

hmm. it would be interesting to see what antinucci can do, but then again, would it be a wise move to drive a car pretty much untested?

[ghinzani]

was Geibler - he was 11th quickest this morning, dont know any more than that apart from Andy Priaulx was 3rd fastest.

[Speedworx]

Qualifying session 1 times
Pos, driver, team, time

1 Andre Lotterer, Jaguar, 1m15.556s
2 James Courtney, Jaguar, 1m15.595s
3 Takuma Sato, Carlin, 1m15.607s
4 Derek Hayes, Manor, 1m15.754s
5 Anthony Davidson, Carlin, 1m15.763s
6 Andy Priaulx, Docking, 1m15.826s
7 Mark Taylor, Manor, 1m15.901s
8 Bruce Jouanny, Promatecme, 1m15.939s
9 Gianmaria Bruni, Fortec, 1m15.978s
10 Philip Giebler, Duma, 1m16.178s

[Takuma]

10th isn't bad for less than 2 hours total time in the car, I'd say that Phil has done justice to himself and the car, beating his team mate by almost1/2 a second his first ever visit to the circuit, when he hadn't sat in the car before is very good.

Phil won the FPA winter series last season, without been able to do the test days because he was travelling back from an F3 test.

We'll see what the second qualifying and races bring.

[ghinzani]

Not bad at all - who is his team mate, Spence? Remind me who ran in that last FPA championship, I can recall Jaroslav Janis. FPA shut down shortly after didnt it? Its now a club formula I beleive.

[ghinzani]

Found this about previous history of Geibler:
Phil Giebler Wins Race and Title at Brands Hatch Third Championship in Three Years for Team USA Drivers

Team USA Scholarship winner Phil Giebler scored a storybook victory at Brands Hatch, England, this afternoon to clinch the hard-fought Formula Palmer Audi Winter Series championship.

Giebler, 21, a former karting star from Oxnard, Calif., who has raced in France for the past two years, was in masterful form at the Brands Hatch "Indy" circuit, despite having missed the series test day on Thursday due to a prior commitment with the Paul Stewart Racing Formula 3 team. Giebler qualified on pole for both of today's races. He was beaten into second place in the first race by teenaged Czechoslovakian Jaroslav Janis -- ensuring that five drivers held a legitimate title hope prior to the final race -- but the gifted American came back with a vengeance to lead from flag to flag in Race Two.

"I made sure I got a killer start. I knew it would put me in good shape, because it's very difficult to pass at this track," said an ecstatic Giebler after following in the footsteps of fellow Californian Paul Edwards, who won the 1998 Formula Opel Winter Series and 1999 Formula Palmer Audi Winter Series carrying the Team USA Scholarship colors.

"I'm thrilled to be the Winter Series champion. It's been an unbelievable weekend, and this is the icing on the cake. It was a do or die situation. Five people could win the championship; whoever won the race would win the championship. I was under pressure the whole race. When I saw the checkered flag, I said, ‘Thank God!'"

Team USA Scholarship teammate Joey Hand was out of luck today. He qualified third for Race One but was punted off on the first lap and did well to fight his way back to eighth. A sixth-place finish in the final race left him a disappointed sixth in the final points table.

"It was a tough day," said Hand, 21, from Sacramento, Calif. "Everything went wrong. I guess I used up my luck at Snetterton [last week]. But hey, I learned more these last two weekends than in three years of racing. It's been a fantastic experience. I can't say enough for everyone who has worked so hard to put this scholarship program together, and at the end of the day it's good that Phil was able to take the championship for Team USA."

The Team USA Scholarship, now in its 11th year, is supported by a variety of companies within the American auto racing industry including Valvoline, Championship Auto Racing Teams, Inc., Tasman Motorsports, Mitel Semiconductor, Mercedes-Benz of North America, PacWest Racing Group, Klein Tools, Skip Barber Racing School, and Racer and Champ Car magazines.

BRSCC FORMULA PALMER AUDI WINTER CHAMPIONSHIP - ROUNDS 3 & 4 BRANDS HATCH - 19/11/00
19 November 2000 - Circuit Racing

Position Driver Time
1 Jaroslav Janis 14m 04.079s
2 Phil Giebler 14m 05.776
3 Peter Walsh
4 Rob Jenkinson
5 Robert Huff
6 Paul Parsons
Round 4
1 Phil Giebler 10m 24.729s
2 Jaroslav Janis 10m 25.417s
3 Robert Huff
4 Peter Walsh
5 Paul Parsons
6 Joey Hand

Joey Hand is racing Atlantics this year I beleive, Geibler has a site at www.philgiebler.com

[pv27uk]

Originally posted by ghinzani
Not bad at all - who is his team mate, Spence?

It's Ryan Dalziel, and actually Giebler was faster than Dalziel, which was a great achievement.

[Takuma]

Results from Silverstone race 1 in wet conditions



POS, NO, CL, DRIVER, NAT, CAR, TIME, LAPS, GAP, MPH, BEST
1,18, C, Andy PRIAULX, GBR, Dallara F301 Mugen-Honda, 30:23.771, 18, 80.00, 1:28.669
2, 5 , C, Anthony DAVIDSON, GBR, Dallara F301 Mugen-Honda, 30:25.393,18, 1.622, 79.93, 1:28.782
3, 21, C, Mark TAYLOR ,GBR, Dallara F301 Mugen-Honda, 30:30.610,18, 6.839, 79.70,1:28.813
4 , 4, C, James COURTNEY, AUS, Dallara F301 Mugen-Honda, 30:32.319,18, 8.548,79.63,1:29.065
5 , 8 , C, Gianmaria BRUNI ITA Dallara F301 Renault Sodemo 30:33.131 18 9.360 79.59 1:29.778
6 11 C Bruce JOUANNY FRA Dallara F301 Mugen-Honda 30:34.454 18 10.683 79.54 1:29.690
7 28 C Ryan DALZIEL GBR Dallara F301 Mugen Honda 30:35.324 18 11.553 79.50 1:29.721
8 14 C Matt DAVIES GBR Dallara F301 Opel Spiess 30:36.716 18 12.945 79.44 1:29.286
9 27 C Philip GIEBLER USA Dallara F301 Mugen-Honda 30:37.129 18 13.358 79.42 1:28.914
10 20 C Rob AUSTIN GBR Dallara F301 Renault Sodemo 30:40.512 18 16.741 79.27 1:29.780
11 55 S Michael KEOHANE IRL Dallara F398 Toyota 30:44.383 18 20.612 79.11 1:30.965
12 2 C Jeffrey JONES USA Dallara F301 Mugen-Honda 30:44.861 18 21.090 79.09 1:29.985
13 7 C Alex GURNEY USA Dallara F301 Renault Sodemo 30:45.381 18 21.610 79.06 1:30.172
14 12 C Atsushi KATSUMATA JPN Dallara F301 Mugen-Honda 30:50.974 18 27.203 78.83 1:30.276
15 59 S Justin SHERWOOD GBR Dallara F398 Spiess Opel 30:56.501 18 32.730 78.59 1:32.471
16 53 S Kazuki HOSHINO JPN Dallara F398 Mugen Honda 31:02.759 18 38.988 78.33 1:33.581
17 66 S Harold PRIMAT FRA Dallara F398 Mugen Honda 31:05.860 18 42.089 78.20 1:34.018
18 6 C Takuma SATO JPN Dallara F301 Mugen-Honda 31:09.514 18 45.743 78.04 1:28.627
19 65 S Rowland KINCH GBR Dallara F398 Spiess Opel 31:17.062 17 1 LAP 73.42 1:38.197
20 3 C Andre LOTTERER GER Dallara F301 Mugen-Honda 30:51.369 16 2 LAPS 70.06 1:30.016
21 60 S Aaron SCOTT GBR Dallara F398 Toyota 31:11.178 14 4 LAPS 60.67 1:34.876
NC
77 S Mark MAYALL GBR Dallara F398 Mugen Honda 11:37.469 7 D.N.F. 81.51 1:36.224
17 C Hideaki NAKAO JAP Dallara F301 Mugen-Honda 11:37.798 7 D.N.F. 81.47 1:36.046
62 S Ernani JUDICE BRA Dallara F398 Mugen Honda 8:12.452 5 D.N.F. 82.56 1:34.266
51 S Robert DOORNBOS NED Dallara F398 Renault Sodemo 8:12.611 5 D.N.F. 82.53 1:34.130
52 S Robbie KERR GBR Dallara F398 Renault Sodemo 6:35.401 4 D.N.F. 82.35 1:34.251
58 S Matthew GILMORE GBR Dallara F398 Spiess Opel 6:37.406 4 D.N.F. 81.93 1:34.566
15 C Sakon YAMAMOTO JPN Dallara F301 Opel Spiess 0 D.N.F. N/A
1 C Derek HAYES GBR Dallara F301 Mugen-Honda 0 D.N.F. N/A
FL
6 C Takuma SATO Dallara F301 Mugen-Honda 1:28.627 17 147.01kph 91.35
55 S Michael KEOHANE Dallara F398 Toyota 1:30.965 18 143.24kph 89.00

[ghinzani]

Nice one Priaulx!! those ADR cars went well whenever it rained this season, good to see ADR getting a result.

[pv27uk]

I'd have thought it was more Priaulx than the ADR car being well suited to the wet. He's known to like wet conditions.

Hideaki Nakao didn't seem to do overly well (again), and caused the safety car by colliding with a Scholarship Class driver.

The headline Autosport.com used for Priaulx's race win seriously has to be one of the worst I have ever seen...

Bungle means zippy Priaulx makes his rain bow....

[ghinzani]

I was referring to the fact that they were on pole with Edwards and 2nd with Andy at Snett when Andy won, and I think Andy was on Pole at Knockhill in the wet. Yeah witnessed the Japanese guy at Thruxton where he trailed round at the back, struggling to get past Harold Beermat, who is 36 and slow and in a scholarship car! Shame really, but thats life in racing.

[pv27uk]

Originally posted by ghinzani
I was referring to the fact that they were on pole with Edwards and 2nd with Andy at Snett when Andy won, and I think Andy was on Pole at Knockhill in the wet. Yeah witnessed the Japanese guy at Thruxton where he trailed round at the back, struggling to get past Harold Beermat, who is 36 and slow and in a scholarship car! Shame really, but thats life in racing.

Edwards' pole had slipped my mind, I couldn't remember him being right up at the front with Andy in the wet races.

Bearing that in mind, your point about ADR producing good wet setups is definitely right (not that I doubted it anyway..) Obviously it is better to look at the results when the team had two decent drivers, unlike at present.

I'm not totally sure on this one, but didn't Andy get pole in the last round of the 2000 series in the wet? And also he's a former class winner in powerboats, so must like the wet...Combination of factors let's say.

Mind you, I would try sticking up for him when I have a signed Andy Priaulx baseball cap here..

[ghinzani]

Yeah they were very evenly matched - I think Paul helped to Push Andy - any ideas what Andy will do next year? I guess as he has been racing f3s on and off since 96 he will probably have to look at Touring Cars, which he did himself a power of good with when he got those poles on his debut! Good racer though, Paul did well to match him, I think if Andy had been in a Carlin or Manor car he would have been top 3 championship - no reflection on ADRs prep, just on Carlin/Manor/Jag budgets!

[Doc Savage]

Duma's site says that Jamie Spence didn't have the budget for the last race - sounds fishy to me as Jamie didn't have the budget all year round - why bump him for the last meeting?
Another rumour I'm hearing is that Jamie is on his way to a drive in the GT's next season.

[bella]

well, there was a new sponsor on what was spence's car for the race, so i think it's a case of spence not having the money the american guy had, rather than them both having no money.

as for the rumours, ask the fella who does jamie's website. he's here somewhere....

[Takuma]

I know from a source close to the team, that they were very happy with the feedback and the performance of Phil.

The team would very much like to run Phil Giebler in 2002 as would several other teams in F3, I'd say that Phil is probably the most wanted driver for F3 next season.

[ghinzani]

Originally posted by Takuma
I know from a source close to the team, that they were very happy with the feedback and the performance of Phil.

The team would very much like to run Phil Giebler in 2002 as would several other teams in F3, I'd say that Phil is probably the most wanted driver for F3 next season.

Id say ur Geiblers PR man or you are talking out of your behind! Theres way loads more drivers who are hotter property than him! Pat Long, Antinucci, Courtney, Dahlgren, Breeze, Fabi need I go on?