Formula 3 Budgets

[Miko]

How do the budgets compare from all the F3 series? i presume the euroseries budgets are the highest but does anyone know the figures for all the F3 championships?

[flor]

KMS, as an opel works team, had a 700.000€ Budget per car in 04

[Birel4me]

Why are the Euroseries the highest?

[Marcel ten Caat]

Giedo van der Garde had to pay € 600.000 for a seat at Team Rosberg

[flor]

Originally Posted by Birel4me

Why are the Euroseries the highest?

i dont know if they are, there is a big variety between the teams, for example TME offered a drive for 350-400.000€

[BillyT]

Euroseries is probably the highest because of all the travel costs, hotels, etc.

[bella]

nah, more to do with the fact people will pay to be associated with a series that's supported by manufacturers i'd have thought. you're making the fundamental mistake of assuming motorsport's honest...

[THR]

ARP is cheapest!!!

think we only spend prehaps 3k tops! inc beer and travel lol

[Marcel ten Caat]

Yes, but I guess he meant top F3 series in which they race with the latest models

[Zandbak]

In 2003 you could do a season of Turkish F3 for 17.500 USDollars

[Fan]

Originally Posted by Zandbak

In 2003 you could do a season of Turkish F3 for 17.500 USDollars

And as a driver in it I can say that it was well worth every cent!!!

[Alfonso de Orleans]

Spanish F3, with the 2005 Dallara, is between 250,000 and 350,000 euros, depending on the team. But that includes many days of testing (more than twice the km than in Euroseries) and a Toyota F1 test drive if you win the championahip. Most teams include the hotel, meals, race incriptions and even race suits in the price. All you have to do is show up with yout helmet, everything else is taken care of. But then again, I imagine all teams in all championships do that.

[Valker]

Asian F3 is pretty cheap. According Juha Roiha you need

78 000 US$ F398
108 000 US$ F301/F302
180 000 US$ F304

+hotels and flights ofcourse. But it's cheap to live in Asia for European...

It's not necessary to have a new car because rules allow older models run lighter.

Last season there were 4 Australians, 1 Irish, 2 Brits, 10 Philippinos, 2 Japanese, 3 Indonesian and 3 Chinese racers driving for 9 teams and 16 cars. Cars were 1 302, 8 301 and 7 398. This season there will be atleast one more 301 and 4 304. ThreeBond is a new team series.

2004 Champion is Christian Jones, son of Alan Jones.

2005 calender conteins six weekends and 12 starts. 2 x Batangas Racing Circuit, 2 x Zhuhai International Racing Circuit and 2x Sirkuit Sentul.

More info

source: FormulaPosti

[Kicking-back]

Originally Posted by Alfonso Orleans

But then again, I imagine all teams in all championships do that.

If only!


Do you think the Spanish F3 way of doing things only works in Spain?

Should British F3 follow the same path?

[Zandbak]

Originally Posted by Fan

And as a driver in it I can say that it was well worth every cent!!!

Can you tell me a little bit more about racing in country's that don't have a racing heritage like the UK, France or Germany?

I've got a strange kind of interest for races in places and country's that are not well known under the motorsport fans. Race like the six hours of Dakar, the Polish GT Championship and races in Trinidad&Tobago

[BillyT]

Originally Posted by Kicking-back

Should British F3 follow the same path?

I think it would be a bit to 'Arrive & Drive'. We have Formula Palmer Audi for that. It could become to much for business men instead of Young guns trying to work up the ladder.

[Alfonso de Orleans]

Originally Posted by btracer

I think it would be a bit to 'Arrive & Drive'. We have Formula Palmer Audi for that. It could become to much for business men instead of Young guns trying to work up the ladder.

I think there must be a misunderstanding of some sorts. I meant that the teams in Spain are organized in such a way that they take the hassle out of booking hotels or just eating chips at a track. Most teams here have proper catering and include in their budgets the hotels for their drivers, the rest they have to sort out. It's nothing near the Palmer Audi arrive and drive idea (which is great for the gentleman driver). They run just like any other team, not an organization, but they seem to be more helpful towards their drivers than in most other championships, especially if they are foreigners. I guess that's Spanish hospitality for you

[Russfeld]

olè

[Mackmot]

Manana manana

[Chucky]

Aust. F3 teams have similar arrangements for about EUR200K in a F304. And those guys have to travel more than any other F3 championship.

Albeit without the F1 test drive, of course.

[Sequel]

Eur200k? Thats $A300k, thats a 2 car budget for Aussie F3. Maybe you need to spend less on data logging.

[Chucky]

Well, we've gotta cover Sammy's cologne bill and new thongs for Borgy!

[Morcilman]

The Spanish F3 is cheaper because of the engine rules, we have cheaper engine rebuits, so that makes the year budget a lot cheaper, I see that as the only reason for being cheaper. The rest is the same as in any other top F3 Championship, Engineers, data loging, full time mechanics, new tires every time out,tests, etc. Thre are cheaperc hampionships, but none with a full grid with all competitive cars. The biggest advantage is the incredible price that we have now, the F1 test is incredible.

[Bobby]

Originally Posted by Morcilman

The Spanish F3 is cheaper because of the engine rules, we have cheaper engine rebuits, so that makes the year budget a lot cheaper, I see that as the only reason for being cheaper. The rest is the same as in any other top F3 Championship, Engineers, data loging, full time mechanics, new tires every time out,tests, etc. Thre are cheaperc hampionships, but none with a full grid with all competitive cars. The biggest advantage is the incredible price that we have now, the F1 test is incredible.

Where can I find the Spanish F3 regulations? Is there a web site maybe?

I also want to add that comparing budgets without all the facts is not very useful! You need to know a lot more... Like number of test days (lenght of testing), the amount of tyres included, how many engine rebuilds is included, who pays if an engine blows up (and it's not the fault of the driver) and same goes for the box, is Insurance included and whats the insurance excess and how much does it cover. How does the teams charge for spares etc etc etc...

[Morcilman]

Of course all that is a very relevant data to compare numbers, but a fact is that the engine cost per seasson in Spanish F3 is a LOT cheaper than for example in england, the tyres about the same, the salaries about the same or cheaper, the living cost cheaper, and the dallara parts excatly the same... the result is that is cheaper. Thre is nothing worng or good about it, is just a diffrent rule about the engines. The way the Scollarship class in england is the same way. Why do you think is that? I think that they are going "the Spanish way" with cheap engines and good price. but up to now Spain is still cheaper. One good question is to have a 225 HP engine, why should we spend so much money? every car make has a of the shelf engine with 225 HP, so why all those fortunes in engines? the answer to that is the Spanish rules to F3.