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Old 10 Oct 2018, 08:23 (Ref:3855841)   #1
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W Series for Women

A new international series for Women drivers has been announced using F3 cars with a view to creating a path to the upper levels in motorsport.

What are its chances of succeeding? It is being backed by some well known names like David Coultard, Dave Ryan & Adrian Newey with a prize fund of $1.5million.

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/139285
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Old 10 Oct 2018, 08:56 (Ref:3855849)   #2
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Not the first time something like this has been tried. Remember F.Women? Hopefully this series will encourage more to compete
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Old 10 Oct 2018, 10:05 (Ref:3855864)   #3
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These are F3 cars and it's an international series - so presumably the drivers will be drawn from national level single seaters and karting? I'd have thought you'd need to increase participation at those grass roots levels before you can launch a viable international series - although if it's funded seats then maybe you've got enough globally to get a decent sized grid together. Interesting to see what takeup is like.

Presumably drivers will pick up points towards a superlicence for competing and then move on to GP3, GP2 (or whatever they're called at the moment). There seems to be plenty of backing for it (is the money all from sponsorship or is the FIA pumping cash in too?).

Nothing ventured nothing gained I suppose. Will I watch - probably not. But that's because it's F3 and I don't watch that anyway unless it's supporting something I'm watching at a circuit.
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Old 10 Oct 2018, 10:39 (Ref:3855867)   #4
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i get what they're trying to do but... surely it'd be better if there's decent financial backing from somewhere to take on the really, really good female drivers and help them, plus work on offering the young girls in karting a leg up?

i'm trying to keep an open mind on it, but i'm so very firmly against anything that treats women involved in the sport as ~inspirational and holds us aloft as special snowflakes. this just seems to have levelled up that principle.
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Old 10 Oct 2018, 10:40 (Ref:3855868)   #5
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This sounds very sexist to me.

Will they have to allow people who "identify as female" to take part?

What sort of medical checks will be required?

Are there a couple of potential participants who might benefit from the funding and the probable sponsorship and publicity opportunities who happen to be related or linked in some way to its promoters and sponsors?

Just wondering ...

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Old 10 Oct 2018, 10:41 (Ref:3855870)   #6
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the fact they've got a whole bunch of men to run it kind of says it all to me.
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the fact they've got a whole bunch of men to run it kind of says it all to me.

Are there any women in a position to try to set this up?

I'm not saying that would not be possible at some point but are there any right now?

(And what are the chances of seeing some grid gents I wonder? )
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Are there any women in a position to try to set this up?

I'm not saying that would not be possible at some point but are there any right now?
Exactly the point I was going to make. Which high profile female circuit racers does anyone actually propose get involved? Susie Wolff is the only one I can think of, but she has her hands full being team principal for one of the Formula E teams.

The quality of the people supporting this is very high, which is good to see.
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Are there any women in a position to try to set this up?

I'm not saying that would not be possible at some point but are there any right now?

(And what are the chances of seeing some grid gents I wonder? )
Susie Wolff runs this as well: https://www.daretobedifferent.org/


Surely a series like this would benefit from a tie-in? In my opinion this series while good intentioned will do nothing but make any backlash against female drivers louder. Someone already called it sexist above. I think it would have been a better idea to start a new team structure that covers most of the motorsport ladder from karting to GP3 or 2. Focusing on guiding female talent through that ladder.
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i think the fact there isnít a tie-in is very telling.

thereís loads of women in management roles within the sport that you donít see. thereís several that you do, too. the fact that none of these are involved is also telling.
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the article mentions Catherine Bond Muir as the CEO of the series...not familiar with the name myself but she is a women in a leading role.

as a sports fan i like these sorts of things and materially i dont see it as any different than a series/program aimed at promoting the next regional star..this one just happens to focus on women as opposed to a 'local' talent.

seeing more and more of this in Canada, particularly in Hockey highlighted by an Olympic program but ultimately leading to the establishment of a professional N.American league.

no one anticipates that it will rival the NHL (that will takes decades), but these leagues, year by year, are drawing in larger audiences (both on TV and in arenas) which means more money, more advertisers, , more pay for the athletes, and a new demographic fan base who want to spend their money on something a little bit different then what they have been offered in the past. this is of course backed by a growing grass roots system which is looking to increase their participation levels, dues/fees, more ice time rentals, more coaches etc etc...at some point the system takes on a life of it own and becomes a viable new income source in a time where grass roots sports are experiencing a funding crisis.

the tie in is that the sport is growing imo.

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A series just for women who are already in the sport is a silly idea. Just imagine the complaints if a series was started just for men!

Formula Woman was OK because it was an academy which set out to get complete novices into the sport. So something like that, or an RSF type thing would be fine. The thinking behind this series is just wrong.

I've seen that Pippa Mann isn't very happy about this at all!
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Motorsport is one of the few sports where women are not at a physical disadvantage. This is one place where they should not be separate from the men. I understand the thought behind it but don't think it will provide any positive result.

At best I think this series will produce nothing interesting and at worst will have a huge negative effect on women in the sport. When a driver moves from F3 to F2 and doesn't do well immediately, the reaction is often "Well John Smith wasn't that good then". However, when Jane Smith wins the title and moves from W-Series into F2 and doesn't immediately do well, the reaction will be more along the lines of "Well women aren't that good then". At that point, the series is doing more harm than good.

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the article mentions Catherine Bond Muir as the CEO of the series...not familiar with the name myself but she is a women in a leading role.
one woman.

one.

in a series specifically FOR woman, aside from one woman (who seems to have her head in the 60s judging by the principle) its being lead by men.

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Just imagine the complaints if a series was started just for men!
see that's another way of looking at it.

would it be not acceptable if someone started a series for black drivers, or asian drivers, or disabled drivers? of course it wouldn't be a thing. that's because by creating it, you're implying that the selected group need a special place to race, unthreatened by the talented white men.
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one woman.

one.

in a series specifically FOR woman, aside from one woman (who seems to have her head in the 60s judging by the principle) its being lead by men.
i understand your point but as a series specifically for women drivers...the breakdown of its management, owners, mechanics, or for that matter the gender breakdown of those who will watch it is a separate issue no?

all sports tend to have a multitude of categories catering to all sorts of different demographic groups and carried out in an exclusive fashion...whether its gender, nationality, region, age, talent levels, funding levels etc etc...this is a normal thing and certainly we dont question why a specific category is managed by people outside of that particular exclusive group.

could you imagine if only people aged under 13 could be hired to run a competition meant for under 13 aged drivers. an obtuse analogy for sure but it does highlight that these are separate issues imo.
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