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Old 4 Aug 2009, 13:41 (Ref:2515445)   #1
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Mercedes considering sports car racing?

Nothing more than a thought from autoblog, but interesting none-the-less:

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/04/m...t-of-f1s-door/
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Old 4 Aug 2009, 17:22 (Ref:2515581)   #2
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I don't follow F1 that closely, but I am surprised a team would pull out after winning the championship last season. Mercedes hasn't been involved in sportscar racing since the flipping incidents.... but if they were considering this move I guess it would be in a prototype, possibly a hybrid of some sort.
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Old 4 Aug 2009, 21:45 (Ref:2515754)   #3
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I think if they were to go back to sportscar racing it would be with GT cars, they don't have a good record with protos (1955, and to a lesser extent 1999).

The SLS AMG would make a great GT car:



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“It's fine that F1 goes all over the world, but we must not exaggerate by going to race in deserts or where there is no culture for racing," di Montezemolo continued
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I think if they were to go back to sportscar racing it would be with GT cars, they don't have a good record with protos (1955, and to a lesser extent 1999).

The SLS AMG would make a great GT car:


http://motoring.sky.com/siteimages/s...-sls-amg-1.jpg

What the hell is that? And everyone likes Mercedes? Not if they make designs like those....

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It looks like an artist's rendering of the SLR. Take it with a bucket load of salt.
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I think if they were to go back to sportscar racing it would be with GT cars, they don't have a good record with protos (1955, and to a lesser extent 1999).

The SLS AMG would make a great GT car:


http://motoring.sky.com/siteimages/s...-sls-amg-1.jpg
I seen cartoon pictures like that before ~(usually in cheap pound shops)but they are usually of some small hatch back and just as horrible.

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Well, in the wider picture it seems to make sense, despite the picture above. At the moment Audi, Mercedes and the DTM management discussing the new 'more manufacturer friendly' DTM from 2010 which is supposed to be GT2/GT3 friendly to water BMW's mouth for their works entry
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Here is a picture of the actual car.
But i don't think we will se neither a GT or an LMP from Mercedes!, they have NEVER experiences real success with their LM cars, without getting overshadowed by some failure. Even the Grp. C cars where a failure because of the many attempts it took to win (the C cars started in 1985!)
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Looks like a modernized Gullwing.
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Looks like a modernized Gullwing.
Well that was also the original idea, like the SLR.
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Well, in the wider picture it seems to make sense, despite the picture above. At the moment Audi, Mercedes and the DTM management discussing the new 'more manufacturer friendly' DTM from 2010 which is supposed to be GT2/GT3 friendly to water BMW's mouth for their works entry
Why not run the DTM completely to GT2 or GT3 rules? Then you could have:

Audi
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Only Merc would have to build a new car!
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Here is a picture of the actual car.
But i don't think we will se neither a GT or an LMP from Mercedes!, they have NEVER experiences real success with their LM cars, without getting overshadowed by some failure. Even the Grp. C cars where a failure because of the many attempts it took to win (the C cars started in 1985!)
That is AWFUL, wot were they thinking!!

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Here is a picture of the actual car.
But i don't think we will se neither a GT or an LMP from Mercedes!, they have NEVER experiences real success with their LM cars, without getting overshadowed by some failure. Even the Grp. C cars where a failure because of the many attempts it took to win (the C cars started in 1985!)



I'm taking this image with a pinch of salt - it looks like a photoshop..

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I'm taking this image with a pinch of salt - it looks like a photoshop..
Well the original source is Autobild (i have the magazine) so don't be too sceptic about it!
Besides, look how much it looks like the mule and design sketch!

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Well the original source is Autobild (i have the magazine) so don't be too sceptic about it!
Besides, look how much it looks like the mule and design sketch!

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http://pictures.topspeed.com/cars/ca...s-amg-vs-w.jpg

Yep, fair enough. Hopefully the final production model will look better than the first picture.

Is this the final update to the SLR? I thought that was to be the 'Stirling Moss'?

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Yep, fair enough. Hopefully the final production model will look better than the first picture.

Is this the final update to the SLR? I thought that was to be the 'Stirling Moss'?
Well, sorry to disappoint you, but don't get our hopes up!, this is likely hows it going to look from Mercedes (but there will be tuner versions of it of course)
No, the SLR is an old model, and the SLS is a brand new replacement for the SLR, made together with AMG instead of McLaren.

But this is going off topic!
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I'm taking this image with a pinch of salt - it looks like a photoshop..
But it looks much less like ass than that ridiculous drawing does. Actually it looks pretty good, though not too much like that test car (which itself looks like the unholy lovechild of a Z4 and a diseased Zebra).
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I was thinking it looked like MB took the baby Viper concept and made a Merc out of it. That front just screams new Dodge to me.
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But it looks much less like ass than that ridiculous drawing does. Actually it looks pretty good, though not too much like that test car (which itself looks like the unholy lovechild of a Z4 and a diseased Zebra).
Well with the test car you have too look at the lines behind the black to see it, but it's actually the same car!.
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I was thinking it looked like MB took the baby Viper concept and made a Merc out of it. That front just screams new Dodge to me.
Actually one of the first mules for this car was an Viper
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Maybe it'll sell well in the US...
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Just because it looks like a Charger? That's pretty boneheaded for a statement.
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That is AWFUL, wot were they thinking!!
That brings to the point what is so ****ed up about car designs these days

examples of these are the new Fiat 500, Das Neu Mini, 370Z (which is trying to be a 2+2 260Z), Ferrari P4/5, last model Ford Thunderbird, new Chevy Camaro, new Dodge Challenger, Ford GT. Also token mention goes to the Lamborghini Murciélago for ripping design hints off its precessors - a huge contrast of them and almost the Muira concept of 2006, which at least the bosses had the decency to pull the plug.

What they have got in common - they all are retro wannabes without any hint of originality, which is what is so screwed up about car designs

At least the SLR made an affort of not straying too far into the retro wannabe bandwagon

This makes me think why I'm glad I never trained to become a car designer
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How much does the public at large notice though, I wonder? It's probably not nearly as much as we do here. They just want to see what they think are cool new concepts and production sports cars. It's probably not an overwhelming endorsement of public intelligence or design skill that a company thought the market would receive the Pontiac Aztec well, and thus made it a production vehicle.

At least partly because of this perceived public demand (I would have to think), timelines for getting new designs out have been cut quite significantly. There isn't necessarily the time anymore for designers to feel they can just let something revolutionary come to them. Also, companies have become leaner, so the emphasis on simply delivering product is that much more prominent. There is also the issue of automakers pushing for in-your-face designs with very clear brand identification. Engineers and designers get caught in just doing their assignmen to accomplish the mission, and don't consider things outside of the box. Along these same lines, engineers, and I suspect designers as well, are more and more taught to analyze problems and deliver the single correct answer, as opposed to having to create their own solution in a situation where there can easily be a plethora of "correct" answers. There was a good article about this earlier this summer in "Automotive Engineering" where they talked with Professor Dale Harrow of the Royal College of Art about these sorts of issues and concerns.
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