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Old 19 Apr 2016, 02:27 (Ref:3634678)   #46
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Lime Rock would be a really cool track to see Indycars on. Don't think the safety standards are good enough though.
Yes and yes. All the fun tracks - too fast with walls too close and a severe lack of catch fencing in areas needed to catch Dallara shrapnel.
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And the lack of any kind of grandstands would also be an issue with the Lime Rock Park. Adding to that, there's a limited amount of noisy days since LR is quite close to nimby suburbs.
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And the lack of any kind of grandstands would also be an issue with the Lime Rock Park. Adding to that, there's a limited amount of noisy days since LR is quite close to nimby suburbs.
I think the recent changes have opened up the viewing from the hillsides and in comparison, Mid Ohio has 1 grandstand, I believe, at the end of the backstretch. LR has certainly had the limitations on Sunday events since it's inception but the course itself is the main reason it's not in consideration.
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There should be a mix of ovals, including at least one, proper, intermediate oval.

I'm just going to say this now; Salem is too short with too much banking for these cars. It's too fast in too confined a space, so when somebody has a serious wiggle, the risk is too great of piling up a good part of the field.

At Lime Rock, there is the fencing issue, and limited run-off in a number of places. Also, IndyCar doesn't have a history of racing there, and FIA regs probably would require open-wheelers of this spec to run on a permanent road course of no less than 3.0km to the lap.

They'd probably decide that they had to run the West Bend Chicane too, which would likely hose up quite a bit of the circuit's actual racing potential. It's kind of amusing, but part of the reason the ALMS went back to the old West Bend is that the chicane made the Diving Turn flat-out, and so the exit speed there, in fact, became faster than without the chicane.
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I'm just going to say this now; Salem is too short with too much banking for these cars. It's too fast in too confined a space, so when somebody has a serious wiggle, the risk is too great of piling up a good part of the field.
My comment was on ovals, in general and not specifically mentioning Salem for indycar.

There is a lack of variety in the newer ovals and something unique for a new oval would be a breath of fresh air compared to Michigan Mark III and Vegas Mark IV.

That said, Iowa is Richmond Mark II but I like those!
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Lime Rock would be a really cool track to see Indycars on. Don't think the safety standards are good enough though.
Beautiful track but I think it would be a disaster for IndyCars. Such a short track, often referred to by the sportscar folks as a "bullring". Not quite as bad as multi-class endurance racing, but imagine IndyCar lap traffic there? They can barely get by each other at places like Barber without tripping over each other. LRP would be an enormous crashfest I think.

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A continuation from Road America thread on street circuits.

Purist, Did someone say anything about Sebring? I didn't know some wanted a race there. I like street circuits and I like the bumps of Sebring but Indycars don't need to race there. I don't like things thrown together, at a generally not so nice place to race or even drive an Indycar when perfectly good circuits are available and have history surrounding them.

It's not a new phenomenon as it's proved time and time again that new street courses don't last and in general, don't work well. But there's always that one guy or group that thinks they can do it. Prove me wrong and get a good, long standing street race or is the one or two off temp street course thing appealing because it's unique? If that's it, I get it, but just don't get efforts made to something temporary.
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No, nobody said anything about Sebring in that thread, but it has been brought up before, and again, it goes back to the very current and continuing complaints about "bumpy street circuits". And my feeling there is, how is one bad but the other is "fine"?

I prefer Laguna Seca over Sears Point, at least, the layout IndyCar uses, but it's probably not going to help to possibly burn bridges with SMI. Yes, Monterey has a much more extensive history hosting Indy Cars, and I'm fairly certain that the racing there would be better than on that modified version of the Motorcycle Circuit at Sonoma.

Not all the markets that might be or are a good idea for IndyCar to try to get in to have a suitable, permanent road course nearby; some don't have an oval either. For those that do, too many of those ovals, as you've noted, aren't that interesting, or that well-suited to host Indy Cars. I think the only more moderately banked intermediate oval left is Nashville. (Hey, if one of us wins the lottery, and can buy and get permission to upgrade Summit Point or Pacific Raceways, I'd be all for it.)

Often these street circuit events are trial and error in getting one going, but then again, that's an issue with any new venture. It would be nice to get Vancouver going again. Apart from that street circuit, I'm not sure what you do for a second Canadian event, especially out in Western Canada. It isn't worth it to me to chicane Mosport for Indy Cars, and that track has gone down in my estimation already with the addition of those paved run-offs, anyway. You'd have to do some negotiating to try to get back in at Mont Tremblant, and figure out the logistics of the facility. Montreal has comparisons to F1 in terms of performance, plus Bernie may not approve of IndyCar visiting if F1 is still there.

And there is the question of where you draw the line on what type of road course is it. What is Montreal? What is Belle Isle now? And what is it becoming as Penske has work done on it? As a bit of perspective, the ONLY permanent road course in Australia that I would definitely say outdoes Albert Park in my estimation is Phillip Island.

You can have major issues that cause a permanent venue to fall through as well; just look at what happened with Brasilia and NOLA. It isn't JUST the street circuits that are known to get state backing; ask EVERY F1 venue about that. (Even Monaco has to spend to repave at least portions of the circuit every year.)

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I hadn't even looked at the RACER update until after doing that last post.

So, speaking of Australia:
http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/13...-series-return
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I think a majority of sports and motor sports are missing something these days and need to get back their roots while taping into some much needed areas. Indycars need to re-tap New England and Northwest, so Vancouver and PIR easily for NW and New Hampshire for NE; this is both needs. What were attendance figures the last time Indycars raced at New Hampshire?

Bumps make the viewing fun and the race challenging; no problem. However, many attempts at new street courses often times appear amateurish with some of the bumps completely in excess, but if someone has the coin and a willing city to participate, by all means. I just don't think it's been an appeal to fans overall and in the long run...perhaps I'm wrong.

Oz? Meh. I think it's a neat race, but let's get some NA fans involved first. Overseas next.

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What were attendance figures the last time Indycars raced at New Hampshire?
If I remember correctly, poor attendance was one of the reasons why NH Speedway didn't return in 2012.

Is there any particular reason why Roger Penske is not interested to have a race in Charlotte, on his home ground? I know the layout is similar as in TMS, but that could be solved easily: a night race would stay in Texas and Charlotte would have a day race in spring or fall.
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I don't think indycar has been to Charlotte since the unfortunate incident where a wheel got into the grandstands and someone lost their life. Yet another reason I'd prefer ow cars on flat tracks....
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It was three spectators killed at Charlotte in 1999 by that flying wheel.

As for the third oval in that template, Atlanta was dropped after 2001, in no small part, I'm sure, due to that 12-car pile-up that injured three or four drivers. This should have also been a wake-up call that would have hopefully precluded what occurred at Las Vegas in 2011.
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I don't see why the Gold Coast precludes anything to do with North American fans. There is an Aussie/Kiwi presence in the Series. Also, if you keep saying "later", it'll NEVER happen at all. So, what value is gained from that?

New Hampshire started relatively late in the day in 2011, I think, and the weather forecast wasn't too promising that day.

You're forgetting the Mid-Atlantic region and Texas in terms of major markets. If California warrants three races, Texas could certainly warrant two, but Eddie Gossage isn't interested in entertaining IndyCar going to Austin, hence, we got Houston again.
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For Oz, it's a temporary move. Always has been and my previous thoughts on street races apply. I get there's a presence of nationalities in the series, hence Brasil. Indycars no longer have the American household name, so I think there's more emphasis needing to be placed stateside, rather than abroad. Perhaps they can have success there and if it's good for the series, then they should go. I'd just prefer them cater to fans here, imho. So much so, the parking lot in Houston is ahead of Oz, in my book.

On Texas, they are currently served but dump the speedway for COTA, as much as I hate it. And Indycar should go there before it closes

Mid Atlantic? No clue. No way they can go at VIR and Dover would be bonkers. Charlotte is out of the question.

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It was three spectators killed at Charlotte in 1999 by that flying wheel.

As for the third oval in that template, Atlanta was dropped after 2001, in no small part, I'm sure, due to that 12-car pile-up that injured three or four drivers. This should have also been a wake-up call that would have hopefully precluded what occurred at Las Vegas in 2011.
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^This. I was at the AMS race and thoughts of 99 in Charlotte were in my head the whole time. Then the pileup occurred, where debris and large parts did make their way into the empty portions of the grandstands. Afterwards, we got to sit through 67 laps of caution and see Dr. Jack Miller air lifted from his final race. This and Vegas is why I have such disdain for those tracks and these cars.

Yet in 2016 , they continue to go to these types of tracks that have a history of being more dangerous than THE speedway.
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