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Old 16 Mar 2020, 09:28 (Ref:3964479)   #1
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Barbagallo Upgrade.

Hmmmm this has been quiet but on someones agenda.

Personally I would love a street circuit in Perth but done think living in the "nanny state" that this will happen at any stage in the future.

Im not so sure about more investment into this old circuit.


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Old 16 Mar 2020, 11:11 (Ref:3964509)   #2
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Hah a street circuit would be the worst possible outcome. Be far better to bring the WRC back.

Just hope politics and ego donít get in the way like every other time. The extended track at Collie is brilliant fun so Wanneroo has some catching up to do. There again you donít get much for $183 million these days, now do you? Wannerooís main problem (Apart from the stupid pits location inside the circuit) is there isnt enough of it.
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Old 16 Mar 2020, 11:43 (Ref:3964524)   #3
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Hah a street circuit would be the worst possible outcome. Be far better to bring the WRC back.

Just hope politics and ego donít get in the way like every other time. The extended track at Collie is brilliant fun so Wanneroo has some catching up to do. There again you donít get much for $183 million these days, now do you? Wannerooís main problem (Apart from the stupid pits location inside the circuit) is there isnt enough of it.
I understand the street circuit would be "Unfinancial" situation but why would be the worst.

WRC how boring, how much did that provide to the state?

Who's ego are you referring?

Sorry Collie is not a suitable venue for mine.

Agreed the Pits was the worst decision ever made and the confusing long pit entry that was never used. That was a whole massive waste of money
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Old 16 Mar 2020, 21:05 (Ref:3964715)   #4
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Street circuits are "the worst" for the people that live in the area and pay for it ( they're almost always tax-payer funded via the local Government "supporting the event" ) because they don't get to race on it for the other 353 days of the year.
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Agreed the Pits was the worst decision ever made and the confusing long pit entry that was never used. That was a whole massive waste of money
Couldn't agree more. It was a massive knee-jerk reaction to Supercars' demands, very short-sighted, and not in the best interested of anyone but Supercars.

As the pit buildings are all precast concrete tilt-slabs, could they be unbolted and moved to a more suitable location outside the track and rebuilt? Then rip up the concrete and tarmac and put the infield back to grass like it was.
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Old 16 Mar 2020, 23:26 (Ref:3964745)   #6
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I understand the street circuit would be "Unfinancial" situation but why would be the worst.
Because it costs a great deal of money and the motorsport community as a whole gains little to nothing from it. Invariably the racing is dull, spectating is rubbish, cars get torn up and everyone/everything gets disrupted. All for no lasting benefit.

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WRC how boring, how much did that provide to the state?
More than, oh I dunno, the Canberra street race did for the ACT for example.

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Reference to the last upgrade proposal at Wanneroo and the ensuing shitfight at the WASCC.

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Sorry Collie is not a suitable venue for mine.
I didnt say it was a venue for the touring cars, simply that as a track it is far more enjoyable to drive than Wanneroo.
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Street circuits are "the worst" for the people that live in the area and pay for it ( they're almost always tax-payer funded via the local Government "supporting the event" ) because they don't get to race on it for the other 353 days of the year.
Doesnt do anything for motorsport below the top level.
Its an event.

After 50 years Wanneroo has done its job, but having been there day one, starting again is a daunting task.
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Well the proposed layout is, um, out. Hard to tell without contours but for my ten cents worth it would work better as a clockwise circuit than the way it has been done.

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Old 1 Apr 2020, 11:54 (Ref:3968018)   #9
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Well the proposed layout is, um, out. Hard to tell without contours but for my ten cents worth it would work better as a clockwise circuit than the way it has been done.

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Yep I like it but seems strange that this would happen with housing slowly encroaching. Fingers crossed it does !
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Yep I like it but seems strange that this would happen with housing slowly encroaching. Fingers crossed it does !
You can say that for anywhere along the coast from Albany to Geraldton. If people are stupid enough to want to build a house near a racetrack and a waste facility then they should not complain.
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But they are, and they do, and the authorities impose restrictions on the racetracks, and eventually they close.
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You can say that for anywhere along the coast from Albany to Geraldton. If people are stupid enough to want to build a house near a racetrack and a waste facility then they should not complain.
The Government and Shire / Council have a lot to answer for here. They are the ones who give approval for developments, whether it's a race track, housing, or a shopping centre. They also don't decide overnight, "lets build some houses here". The housing estates and shopping centres and other major infrastructure ( schools etc ) are planned years, often decades, in advance. So for them to give approval for a racetrack to be built where they know they want to build houses in xx years time, they should be held to account for their decision making. Property developers don't care how close to the track it is or the noise, because they only want to flog the houses and make a fortune, and as long as people keep buying houses that have been built in idiotic location without thinking about what is in the local proximity, nothing will change. If people where smart enough to not buy houses next the the race track / airport / motorway / whatever, then just maybe after a few totally failed estates the developers and local council might finally learn the lesson. As long as the developers and the council are making money, it will only change if people force them to, by not buying their houses in stupid locations. There is no excuse, and no need to build houses right next to the race track, there's 3000km of empty land to the east of Perth, and a good 1000km north and south, so it's not they are confined by limited amount of land.
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COVID 19 might stop all of this investment/expenditure
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The biggest problem for Barbagallo is the one road in/out.

Same with The Bend, QR & Phillip Island.

Winton was a similar problem until they got the traffic management plan right and added an extra multi lane exit and point different exits in different direction and it certainly helped get the peak exit over and done with a lot quicker.
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The biggest problem for Barbagallo is the one road in/out.

Same with The Bend, QR & Phillip Island.

Winton was a similar problem until they got the traffic management plan right and added an extra multi lane exit and point different exits in different direction and it certainly helped get the peak exit over and done with a lot quicker.
and over/under passes for the Ho Hum Highway...
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