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Old 16 May 2020, 12:27 (Ref:3976588)   #16
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Back in 2016-17 an Australian competitor only GT 12 Hour would have been viable.The category has collapsed so much it is not viable now.For example the 101 race at Eastern Creek in 2016 had 24 Championship class GT3 cars.Now that top category barely reaches double figures.
The IGTC are in no position to commit to travelling the world to do the series.Personnel getting access to Australia is highly unlikely and the same could be true of South Africa,Japan,USA etc.The uncertainty of the situation Is not going to change anytime soon.
A Supercar race at Bathurst on the Newcastle date is probably the best option for Supercars.By 2022 I think Archer/Supercars would have gone belly up and the 12 Hour will be looking for a new promoter anyway.
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Old 16 May 2020, 21:55 (Ref:3976671)   #17
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Supercars and 12hr double header, 5-7 Feb, assuming travel restrictions allow the GT teams to travel there. If Australia will let me in and Bathurst will let me come to the track, I'll be there for that.
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Old 17 May 2020, 00:19 (Ref:3976683)   #18
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The IGTC instagram is saying here that the GT part of the 12hr is still on at this stage. Supercars themselves have said in their revised calendar update that "As for the second Bathurst round, it’s not yet clear what portion of GT racing will feature given current international travel restrictions", which suggests it's just up in the air at the moment.
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Old 17 May 2020, 06:09 (Ref:3976693)   #19
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Old 17 May 2020, 06:22 (Ref:3976695)   #20
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The series will return to Mount Panorama for the second time for the final round for a sprint event that will coincide with the Bathurst 12 Hour enduro from February 5-7.
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Old 18 May 2020, 01:42 (Ref:3976848)   #21
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The problem is the competitors of the "old" 12 hour now race in the 6 hour, and local GT is a shambles. I think about all the "gentlemen" drivers that make up AGT competitors, and they will no doubt have huge financial losses and will no doubt the VERY busy trying to fix the issues in the businesses that allow them to go racing. I doubt very much whether many of these guys will be up for their regular jaunt.
Plenty of cars across AGT, Production Sports, Cup Car, APCC and Invitationals to make up a 25 - 30 car grid.

The lack of european and asian pro teams and drivers may actually be a motivator for local entrants. Eg. Quinns and AMAK actually stopped racing at the 12 Hour due to the more Pro / crash and bash nature of where the event headed.

Without understanding each car owners businesses practices, I wouldn't look to assume anyones "HUGE financial losses".

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Who is going to go to massive financial risk to run a race for maybe 10 cars, especially at a time when its very shaky whether fans will turn up, how densely they can be accomodated... How they can even travel.
You would attract more than 10 cars. As discussed multiple times, no one is suggesting transferring the AGT grid to the Bathurst 12 Hour.
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Old 18 May 2020, 02:37 (Ref:3976853)   #22
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Plenty of cars across AGT, Production Sports, Cup Car, APCC and Invitationals to make up a 25 - 30 car grid.

The lack of european and asian pro teams and drivers may actually be a motivator for local entrants. Eg. Quinns and AMAK actually stopped racing at the 12 Hour due to the more Pro / crash and bash nature of where the event headed.

Without understanding each car owners businesses practices, I wouldn't look to assume anyones "HUGE financial losses".


You would attract more than 10 cars. As discussed multiple times, no one is suggesting transferring the AGT grid to the Bathurst 12 Hour.
Everyone says the 1000k is shite with low numbers, and you are advocating 12 hours with only a couple more.
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Old 18 May 2020, 03:54 (Ref:3976857)   #23
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Everyone says the 1000k is shite with low numbers, and you are advocating 12 hours with only a couple more.
Slightly different context, people critique the 1000 based on its self described "greatest series in the world" and teams running on $10 million budgets.

What we are advocating for the 12 hour, is to ensure that a race can be run in 2021.

2011 ran with 26 cars, 2012 with 27 and look what it has grown into.
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Are we allowed to talk about the 12 Hour here in this forum now?

The 12 Hour wont happen in 2022. OS teams cant possibly be expected to organise a campaign on the hope that International travel will recommence (which is unlikely). And the GT3 scene here is cooked, and without MPC it'd be completely dead. Making a field up with Invitational categories would give the winner the greatest asterix next to their win in motorsport history.
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Are we allowed to talk about the 12 Hour here in this forum now?

The 12 Hour wont happen in 2022. OS teams cant possibly be expected to organise a campaign on the hope that International travel will recommence (which is unlikely). And the GT3 scene here is cooked, and without MPC it'd be completely dead. Making a field up with Invitational categories would give the winner the greatest asterix next to their win in motorsport history.
Why is that? Invitational cars have been in the rule book since 2011 yeah?

GT3 cars, owners and teams go way beyond AGT dont they?

Thinking of teams/owners with AGT machinery currently in the country and that are somewhat active include:
- Erebus x 2, 888/STM x 2, MPC x 2 / 4 (incl Bates, Cini cars), Eggleston x 1, Quinn x 1, 59 Racing x 1, AMAK x 1, Koundouris x 1, Richard Gartner x 1, Trofeo Motorsport x 1, Grove x 1, Hobson x 1, Kenny Habul x 1, Twigg x 1, Griffiths x 1

A local entry could see the increase in GT4 cars that live locally coming out to race as well.

MARC cars x 4 to 6?
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Old 19 May 2020, 05:17 (Ref:3977069)   #26
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A 12 hour Le Mons event.

Youd have 300 cars and a modified plane
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A 12 hour Le Mons event.

Youd have 300 cars and a modified plane
Being Le Mons, the modified plane could be one of these:
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The 12 Hour wont happen in 2022.
Did you mean 2021?
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Old 19 May 2020, 09:54 (Ref:3977114)   #29
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Amazing that the 12hr has gotten so popular that the best idea is to not run it for a year.....

Who cares if it’s a field full of invitational cars, at least it keeps the race ongoing and the fans who are fans of the event, rather than just fans of the big names, have got the race to watch.
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Of all the motorsport events in Oz I think the 12 hour is the top event even better than the SC bathurst race by a long way and for it not to run is going to disappoint a lot of people both here and OS.
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