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Old 24 May 2020, 15:47 (Ref:3978083)   #1
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Would you watch a Supercars series without Holden or Chevrolet?

Simple question.

I feel like Supercars administration have been quite fixated on this, with "Holden" seen almost as a sporting team -- apparently favoured by many who watch Supercars -- rather than as a car manufacturer. Yet the car manufacturer is no more, and the potential replacement, the Chevrolet Camaro won't be continued by General Motors either.

If there is no General Motors product in Supercars (but instead say a Ford Mustang vs BMW 8 series rivalry), would that bother you and would you still watch the series?
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Old 24 May 2020, 21:57 (Ref:3978131)   #2
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When I marshalled at Surfers I was told by my fellow marshals I needed to pick a side, Ford or Holden.

"I drive a BMW". I replied, "why would I choose one of them?"
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Old 24 May 2020, 22:09 (Ref:3978132)   #3
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Sorry to hear that Woolley.
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When I marshalled at Surfers I was told by my fellow marshals I needed to pick a side, Ford or Holden.

"I drive a BMW". I replied, "why would I choose one of them?"
That puts you in the Ford camp then.
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Old 25 May 2020, 01:24 (Ref:3978150)   #5
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I watch F1 with no holden and ford.
Soon we will have no choice.
I guess as long as the racing is quick, competitive and local we should be happy
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Old 25 May 2020, 10:14 (Ref:3978190)   #6
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I will definitely watch, it will be better without holden imo.
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Old 25 May 2020, 11:17 (Ref:3978196)   #7
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I will definitely watch, it will be better without holden imo.
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Old 25 May 2020, 21:50 (Ref:3978294)   #8
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That puts you in the Ford camp then.
That's what they said

I did get the one with working indicators. In fact, I think I've got the only car of any make in this country with working indicators, except for the few that indicate left just before the junction before the one they're leaving at.
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Old 27 May 2020, 05:33 (Ref:3978498)   #9
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yes but they need to bring the Mercs and Volvos back
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Old 30 May 2020, 20:24 (Ref:3979350)   #10
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Yes I would keep watching, itís never been about brands for me, letís be honest both Ford and Holden have made largely dreadful cars over the last 30 years when compared to Mercedes, Audi, BMW, Saab, Volvo, Jaguar etc. So Iíve never heard any interest in or allegiance to Ford or Holden.

Itís the quality of the racing and the fact that the cars are powerful and RWD that keeps me interested.
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Old 30 May 2020, 22:48 (Ref:3979370)   #11
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Yes I would keep watching, itís never been about brands for me, letís be honest both Ford and Holden have made largely dreadful cars over the last 30 years
I think this point is key - T8 make a fast race car, not Holden. The Kelly's make an average race car, not Nissan. Ford kind of muddied the waters by being so involved in the Mustang project, but at the end of the day Penske still had to produce results with it.

The teams should be the focus. Based in Australia. Filled with Australian employees. A lot of subcontracting done within Australia. It's really something to be proud of. Having manufacturers front and center creates this facade that the tribalist amongst us so easily fall into - "you see the Holden pull that Ford down Conrod aye mate?"
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The teams should be the focus. Based in Australia. Filled with Australian employees. A lot of subcontracting done within Australia.
Supercars deliberately replaced the Australian-made Holinger and Albins transmissions with a British-made XTrac transmission. Same goes for the Supercars LED information panels which will be supplied from China.

Surely in a world of globalisation, the most economic supplier should be selected given the cost pressures faced by Supercars teams?

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Old 31 May 2020, 02:38 (Ref:3979380)   #13
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Supercars deliberately replaced the Australian-made Holinger and Albins transmissions with a British-made XTrac transmission. Same goes for the Supercars LED information panels which will be supplied from China.

Surely in a world of globalisation, the most economic supplier should be selected given the cost pressures faced by Supercars teams?
Of course. If having an "Australian Made" series makes it cost prohibitive then some hard choices need to be made.

Stuff like panel/composite repair I can't see being offshored, but in-house fabrication, machining etc may no longer be an option, especially if control parts are introduced, allowing bulk orders from cheap overseas sources.
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Old 2 Jun 2020, 07:35 (Ref:3979727)   #14
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Of course I would, unless it's Ford vs Ford. If there are only Mustangs then I'm probably not that interested.
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Of course I would, unless it's Ford vs Ford. If there are only Mustangs then I'm probably not that interested.
I think therein iies the problem for me, I'm fine for people to be Mustang fans and cheering them on, but once the whole field is Mustangs, what's the point?
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