'V8Supercar' to become 'Supercar'??

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

You should add crowds, not average them. Team sports have an advantqge because of the high number of matches.

Im not sure there are rules on this sort of thing. however i did include the total crowd also
No. 3

[Matt]

Originally Posted by FIRE

Yes, so I don't see the problem.

Nor do I.

[bortall]

Originally Posted by FIRE

The Toyota Camry and Ford Fusion road cars are not available with RWD and V8 engine. Despite that it's no problem for these brands to race a RWD V8 powered car in NASCAR. Why would it be a problem (except for the name) for V8 Supercars?

Originally Posted by Matt

Neither do the Nissan Altima or Volvo S60.

You two aren't trying to bring logic to a forum are you , especially during the off season.

[JABWOA]

Lies, damn lies and statistics.

But it's a fair report. 3rd by total annual attendance numbers (1.4m compared to AFL 6.3m and NRL 2.8m) but 1st in average per day per event when comparing 14 events over 3-4 days and the number of AFL and NRL games each weekend.

And AFL does the same trick regarding gate numbers - heaps of free tickets given out to Auskick participants for example and I'm sure NRL does similar.

Curious that TV viewers are up - would like to see more substance on those figures. Particularly after the channel changing antics with the Sydney 500.

[naca]

Both the AFL and NRL give free tickets to kids in their respective junior leagues/competitions/programs. But I'd bet that they only count those that go through the gate at each match. If V8SC had a similar system they would probably be counted 3 times a weekend, even if they are sitting on a couch watching it in the other side of the country.

EDIT: All kids under about 12 get into the track for free anyway (except those in the stands).

TV figures are up because those that didn't want to watch the cricket where probably watching the v8s. I wonder if V8SC will try and do something with the perth round so that it is shown in primetime in the eastern states whilst being at a normal time in the west, like they are doing with the cricket at the moment. Would definitely increase their viewership. Any chance of a street track in Mandurah or Albany?

[david5]

The cricket from Perth has always been shown at the later time, it's in a different time zone. The only advantage is being able to cover the news break. I just wish they'd show the whole day on GEM, much nicer in HD.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by peckstar

which championships have been closer?

06 and 07 just for starters

Originally Posted by FIRE

The Toyota Camry and Ford Fusion road cars are not available with RWD and V8 engine. Despite that it's no problem for these brands to race a RWD V8 powered car in NASCAR. Why would it be a problem (except for the name) for V8 Supercars?

Because for decades our championship has been sold to the public as a touring car championship, not as a silouette Sports Sedan championship that the Nissan Altima, Erebus E63 AMG and next year Volvo S60 are more in line with. The late Howard Marsden spoke out about how even though the V8SC regs of the early 2000s weren't production cars, there was still the link (RWD and V8) with the road cars the companies sold, and therefore the integrity of the 'touring car class' was still there

[djr81]

Originally Posted by naca

Both the AFL and NRL give free tickets to kids in their respective junior leagues/competitions/programs. But I'd bet that they only count those that go through the gate at each match. If V8SC had a similar system they would probably be counted 3 times a weekend, even if they are sitting on a couch watching it in the other side of the country.

EDIT: All kids under about 12 get into the track for free anyway (except those in the stands).

TV figures are up because those that didn't want to watch the cricket where probably watching the v8s. I wonder if V8SC will try and do something with the perth round so that it is shown in primetime in the eastern states whilst being at a normal time in the west, like they are doing with the cricket at the moment. Would definitely increase their viewership. Any chance of a street track in Mandurah or Albany?

They start & finish the races stupidly early in Perth anyway - just to look after you eastern states lot. But there again V8SC have done everything in their power to stuff up in WA so why not shift the scheduling some more or move the race to Albany.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by one five five

06 and 07 just for starters



Because for decades our championship has been sold to the public as a touring car championship, not as a silouette Sports Sedan championship that the Nissan Altima, Erebus E63 AMG and next year Volvo S60 are more in line with. The late Howard Marsden spoke out about how even though the V8SC regs of the early 2000s weren't production cars, there was still the link (RWD and V8) with the road cars the companies sold, and therefore the integrity of the 'touring car class' was still there

did 06 and 07 have 4 cars in contention going into the final round? they might have, not sure they did though

Sports sedans are touring cars. and for about a 12 years now they have been sold to the public as v8 supercars

[dsg]

People who purchased full match tickets to the Ashes test in Perth were counted each day, the same as V8SC crowds. WACA members who get free entry to all WACA international and domestic matches are counted as part of each day's crowd similar to V8SC counting.

Should AFL season ticket holders get counted for each game they attend or only once per season? Isn't that the same as buying a multi-day pass to a V8 event?

I don't see much difference between the way V8s count crowds and how every other sport does. If the most serious issue facing V8s is their crowd counting technique then I guess they are travelling pretty well.

[NaBUru38]

Actually, they should count minutes-spectator. Like, one spectator who watches the 12 Hours of Sebring counts as 12 fans watching a 60-minute DTM race.

You know, so accountants keep their jobs

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by dsg

People who purchased full match tickets to the Ashes test in Perth were counted each day, the same as V8SC crowds. WACA members who get free entry to all WACA international and domestic matches are counted as part of each day's crowd similar to V8SC counting.

Should AFL season ticket holders get counted for each game they attend or only once per season? Isn't that the same as buying a multi-day pass to a V8 event?

Really?

The SCG doesnt count tickets like, only those through the turnstiles that so I am surprised that the WACA does this.

The AFL and NRL also do not count ticketed members who do not attend games - once again only those through the turnstiles - which differs from V8SA.

V8SA also count drivers, team members and fire/ambulance workers in crowd figures.

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

Actually, they should count minutes-spectator. Like, one spectator who watches the 12 Hours of Sebring counts as 12 fans watching a 60-minute DTM race.

You know, so accountants keep their jobs

They should also allow for when people look away / go buy food / go to the loo etc - clearly it's all rigged if they're not doing that!

[Chris - Melb]

Originally Posted by dsg

.....Should AFL season ticket holders get counted for each game they attend or only once per season? Isn't that the same as buying a multi-day pass to a V8 event?......

That's is one of them most thought-provoking points I have seen on this forum this year.

I suppose it's impossible to ever know, but it would be interesting to know how many individual persons attend each sporting code in a 12 month period. Likewise the numbers watching on TV.

Is there much advantage in the exposing your brand every week to basically the same pool of people at each football event, as opposed to once or twice a year (depending on your state) for V8 Supercar events? Ditto TV telecasts.

Interesting...

[D.R.T.]

Its pretty simple. If they enter through the turnstile - count them.

If they do not - dont count them.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Its pretty simple. If they enter through the turnstile - count them.

If they do not - dont count them.

alternately its even simpler to base things on tickets sold

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by peckstar

alternately its even simpler to base things on tickets sold

And then base your economic benefit reports off inflated numbers of people who werent at the venue over 3 days???

Are you sure you dont work for V8SA pecky?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

And then base your economic benefit reports off inflated numbers of people who werent at the venue over 3 days???

Are you sure you dont work for V8SA pecky?

do they, what information do you have to suggest that?

[D.R.T.]

The V8SA press releases following government funded races where they quote EIA based off that 3 day crowds, that include quoted Friday crowds of 35,000 to 40,000 people

The auditor general report into the Sydney and Canberra street races are a good read Pecky.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

The V8SA press releases following government funded races where they quote EIA based off that 3 day crowds, that include quoted Friday crowds of 35,000 to 40,000 people

The auditor general report into the Sydney and Canberra street races are a good read Pecky.

your quoting a ten year old report for Canberra and a report that looked at something else for Sydney. Now clipsal produce a report each year, independently produced, you should look it up

seriously dude move on, its no big deal as long as they are consistent in their counting, its not worth rehashing each time you get a hard on about crowd numbers.

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by peckstar

your quoting a ten year old report for Canberra and a report that looked at something else for Sydney. Now clipsal produce a report each year, independently produced, you should look it up

seriously dude move on, its no big deal as long as they are consistent in their counting, its not worth rehashing each time you get a hard on about crowd numbers.

Both reports focused on EIA (pretty standard for government funded events), so not sure where you get the idea that they are looking at different things.

And in terms of the Canberra report being 10 years old, as per your 2nd paragraph above V8SA are consistent in reporting inflated crowd figures so it is still relevant.

V8SA being consistent is one thing but when they turn around and compare to other sports (who count differently and with more integrity) that is misleading.

A prime example was a V8SA press release a few years ago when they claimed higher tv ratings than the Aus Grand Prix by referencing a peak tv audience against an average tv audience.

Where's the trust?

#spin

[dsg]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Its pretty simple. If they enter through the turnstile - count them.

If they do not - dont count them.

So does that mean they can -

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

also count drivers, team members and fire/ambulance workers in crowd figures.

[DAVID PATERSON]

Originally Posted by dsg

So does that mean they can -

Do AFL & NRL count the players, the coaches, the medics, the security guards and the food vendors when they give their official crowd figures?

[mayhem]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

V8SA being consistent is one thing but when they turn around and compare to other sports (who count differently and with more integrity) that is misleading.

#spin

Ummm, integrity and counting crowds in the NRL (a few clubs in particular) can be strange bedfellows DRT, especially when there are first hand reports of officials spinning the turnstiles during the first half of first grade.... Rubbery figures arent confined to V8s, nor is creative accounting.
If the crowds that GWS were reporting last year were accurate then I'll eat my hat.

[dsg]

Originally Posted by DAVID PATERSON

Do AFL & NRL count the players, the coaches, the medics, the security guards and the food vendors when they give their official crowd figures?

No idea. Any evidence the V8s count them?