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Old 24 Sep 2019, 07:57 (Ref:3929825)   #196
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And haven't they added pit stops to the races? That has to add plenty of cost and now the 8 Hour at Indy race is part of the season points as the finale to drive more teams to race than had in California. All I see is costs increasing each year and nothing new to show. And I think the GT3 races are all standalone events, think GT4 and TC get to support Indycars but I don't think the big guys go. I would go if they returned to Road Atlanta but I've gone for Ferrari Challenge and SCCA events with only a few cars in each class so I might not be their target growth audience


Everything is standalone now

If you shaved every race back down to 60 mins, 2 driver races, youíd already shave 6 hours of running in the season

Surely thatíd help budget a little.
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Old 24 Sep 2019, 15:00 (Ref:3929898)   #197
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Everything is standalone now

If you shaved every race back down to 60 mins, 2 driver races, youíd already shave 6 hours of running in the season

Surely thatíd help budget a little.
Trim qualifying too.15 minute session with 1 fast lap is all you need. Maybe for race 2 the grid can be set by the fast lap of the race 2 starting driver during race 1.

I guess it was a worthy experiment for 1 year, but going back to 60 minute races is probably the best course of action. Keeping it at 90 would do nothing but give teams the justification to leave GT America and move to GTD Sprint Cup.

Speaking from the prospective of the SRO here, personally I would love to see all of these teams leave for IMSA!!
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Old 24 Sep 2019, 16:51 (Ref:3929909)   #198
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Speaking from the prospective of the SRO here, personally I would love to see all of these teams leave for IMSA!!
This doesn't make any sense, so I'm guessing there's a typo?

Anyways, I would not be opposed to go to 60 minute races and mirroring what Blancpain GT Europe Sprint or ADAC GT Masters does. Right now IMSA GTD Sprint Cup and GT America offer essentially the same thing for the same cost. One of the two needs to differentiate themselves and I really think it's the SRO that needs to make a change to keep boosting GT3 grids with full-time competitors.
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Right now IMSA GTD Sprint Cup and GT America offer essentially the same thing for the same cost. One of the two needs to differentiate themselves and I really think it's the SRO that needs to make a change to keep boosting GT3 grids with full-time competitors.
WHAT?? There's a HUGE difference between what GTD Sprint Cup offers than GT America. First, there are multiple manufacturer reps at the IMSA races for multiple classes, much easier communication and networking. Second, IMSA races are actually on a channel at the time of racing, well a few times later that day, but it's better than weeks later on a channel dropped from a few channel lineups recently. Yes I am only counting the actual "broadcast" not streaming in that. Third IMSA offers another step above and networking for drivers, teams, sponsors, team members, etc that is not available if the GT3 car is the top rung.
SRO HAS to offer more for the money than IMSA does to retain teams if it's going to cost as much or more. Right now it seems more like teams running either series are embedded with that series but drivers and importantly AMs and Silvers may not have that attachment and their money drives the racing. If SRO is smart they will NOT follow IMSA with the adjusting and penalizing drivers because they're fast, although the auto-upgrade from AM class after too many wins seems to be that already. But importantly they can still drive and not get pushed out of the series by being "Gold" rated.
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Old 24 Sep 2019, 21:51 (Ref:3929950)   #200
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WHAT?? There's a HUGE difference between what GTD Sprint Cup offers than GT America......
Methinks the IMSA fan doth protest too much.
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Methinks the IMSA fan doth protest too much.
Nope, just reading what was written and questioning how one is equal to the other. Oh and what 2 teams who have moved have directly stated about why the move. But I guess that's an IMSA fan rather than a racing in general fan.
But what was not accurate in that assessment? You've offered the challenge but without information showing why my thoughts were not accurate. That's the condition required for discussion.
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Old 25 Sep 2019, 15:46 (Ref:3930065)   #202
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Nope, just reading what was written and questioning how one is equal to the other. Oh and what 2 teams who have moved have directly stated about why the move. But I guess that's an IMSA fan rather than a racing in general fan.
But what was not accurate in that assessment? You've offered the challenge but without information showing why my thoughts were not accurate. That's the condition required for discussion.
No, there are small differentiators between the two, but nothing major right now. SRO has free, non-geoblocked live streaming for all races, then has GT3 Race 2, live on CBS Sports Network. SRO allows for pro-pro lineups, while IMSA does not. SRO GT3 is the feature, solo class, while IMSA's GTD is the third tier in multiclass racing. In 2019, both series have a difference of only 200 minutes of race time 1260 for SRO, 1060 for IMSA Sprint Cup. SRO has had an average of 17 GT3 cars entered at each race, while IMSA has had 13 GT3 entered at each race, but only 1 team has actually committed to Sprint Cup.

IMSA has the bigger name and presence, that's clear. The differences between the two, right now, are minuscule.

Honestly they both need to go back to what they are good - SRO America is sprint, IMSA GTD is endurance. Don't step on each other's toes.

That being said, I also wouldn't be opposed if SRO decided to drop GT3 completely and go with GT2 as the top category in a year or two so they are not fighting w/ IMSA for entries.
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No, there are small differentiators between the two, but nothing major right now. SRO has free, non-geoblocked live streaming for all races, then has GT3 Race 2, live on CBS Sports Network. SRO allows for pro-pro lineups, while IMSA does not. SRO GT3 is the feature, solo class, while IMSA's GTD is the third tier in multiclass racing. In 2019, both series have a difference of only 200 minutes of race time 1260 for SRO, 1060 for IMSA Sprint Cup. SRO has had an average of 17 GT3 cars entered at each race, while IMSA has had 13 GT3 entered at each race, but only 1 team has actually committed to Sprint Cup.

IMSA has the bigger name and presence, that's clear. The differences between the two, right now, are minuscule.

Honestly they both need to go back to what they are good - SRO America is sprint, IMSA GTD is endurance. Don't step on each other's toes.

That being said, I also wouldn't be opposed if SRO decided to drop GT3 completely and go with GT2 as the top category in a year or two so they are not fighting w/ IMSA for entries.
Not a bad idea depending on what the state of "GT2" looks like at the end of 2020. Looks like there will be a GT2 car running in the upcoming GT3 Sports club race this weekend in Barcelona. Could allow GT2 cars to run in the GT3 race in America next year in addition to cutting races to 60 minutes. Also good point with Blancpain GT running 90 minute races and the IMSA GTD Sprint cup existing, there is too much overlap. If the decision to KEEP it at 90 minute races remains in 2020, then I would encourage teams to ditch it and go to GTD. Cutting races to 60 is essential at this point. Especially if you want to help save some $$ to run the 8 hours of Indy. Cut down qualifying session length times too while you are at it.
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Old 25 Sep 2019, 16:54 (Ref:3930074)   #204
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GT2 replacing GT3 in Blancpain GT Challenge US is fine but it breaks the SRO's trio of of world challenge series up from being solely GT3 series.

Not against it just worth noting as a reason why SRO might not bite on that in the next few seasons.

I dont think however there could be some value in making the series PRO AM only, (or PRO-AM, SILVER, or AM, like british GT).

That way you get a solid factory gun or professional driver supporting an am driver.

Might encourage a better entry.

Worth noting too, that the series has attracted mid 20's grid sizes for SOME races this year. Is it worth evaluating why the COTA grid for example hasnt translated through the season
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Worth noting too, that the series has attracted mid 20's grid sizes for SOME races this year. Is it worth evaluating why the COTA grid for example hasnt translated through the season
17 GT3 cars has been the average entered. I think it comes down to cost for teams/drivers not doing the full season. This stuff is expensive and always will be expensive, but costs could be drastically reduced and help push more to full-season with a few simple regulation changes.
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We can probably change this to PWC 2020 now

And on that note, no PRO class in 2020, canít say itís a bad thing I think allowing the Am in a ProAm entry the chance to win outright makes it more appealing .

Pro Am only also allows for some more interesting strategies and puts more on the ability of the Am in the race.

Wonder if they will scrap the 90 min races too. Letís just do 60?
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We can probably change this to PWC 2020 now

And on that note, no PRO class in 2020, can’t say it’s a bad thing I think allowing the Am in a ProAm entry the chance to win outright makes it more appealing .

Pro Am only also allows for some more interesting strategies and puts more on the ability of the Am in the race.

Wonder if they will scrap the 90 min races too. Let’s just do 60?
Haven't they usually only had a few PRO entries at most rounds anyway? And sounds like they would only have 2 for 2020 with 2 cars from the Vegas round not returning

And it appears Platinum drivers will not be allowed either, Gold or Silver matched with a Bronze driver. And it sounds like still 90 min races x2 per weekend.

It seems like they're trying to emulate only the worst things from IMSA, including the week long podiums to get all the classes in

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Haven't they usually only had a few PRO entries at most rounds anyway? And sounds like they would only have 2 for 2020 with 2 cars from the Vegas round not returning

And it appears Platinum drivers will not be allowed either, Gold or Silver matched with a Bronze driver. And it sounds like still 90 min races x2 per weekend.

It seems like they're trying to emulate only the worst things from IMSA, including the week long podiums to get all the classes in


Itís going to be interesting to see how this affects things.

This is probably why SRO went quiet on implementing GT2 in America for 2020. They are instead focusing on getting the Amís into GT3 for Now.

Also hidden in the announcement was a drop from 7 Rounds to 6. Not clear if that means they arenít going to include the 8 hours of Indy in this series after all, or whether they are dropping COTA

I hope this transition back to pro-am focus allows for more entries, Iím honestly not sure what the impact will be although surely they wouldnít do it without enough team input...

Also KPAX to Gt Challenge Europe would be cool
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Itís going to be interesting to see how this affects things.

This is probably why SRO went quiet on implementing GT2 in America for 2020. They are instead focusing on getting the Amís into GT3 for Now.

Also hidden in the announcement was a drop from 7 Rounds to 6. Not clear if that means they arenít going to include the 8 hours of Indy in this series after all, or whether they are dropping COTA

I hope this transition back to pro-am focus allows for more entries, Iím honestly not sure what the impact will be although surely they wouldnít do it without enough team input...

Also KPAX to Gt Challenge Europe would be cool
It sounded like 2 cars were leaving was at least an influence on this. Sounds like KPax is headed to Europe to replace MSport. Not a bad swap.

They really need to drop the 8 Hour from the season, it's almost a third of the season in one race. It has to be crazy costs and very unlike the rest of the racing.

It also seems like GT4 is too attractive to those who could run GT2. Yes, the speeds are MUCH lower but better return on investment and smaller learning curve.

It would be interesting to see what the costs for car, rebuilds and track time are for cars in GT3, GT2 and GT4. I'd hope in that order with a good jump between each group.
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