Monaco Historic GP 2012

Marcus Mussa · 20 May 2011, 16:51 (Ref:2883186)

Good news for all F3 1000 fans!
The Monaco Government has approved the plan whereby qualifying will now commence on Friday afternoon.
This gives them more time and means in effect that all the series can be run as before instead of having to drop one (which was going to be F3 1000).

Perhaps four series will have their first qualifying session on the Friday afternoon and a second one Saturday afternoon. The others will have their first session Saturday morning and a second one in the afternoon.
All races will be on Sunday as before.
The F1 3000 cc cars will be in two separate series but with an earlier cut off date than before in the earlier series (I think it will be 1972).
Scrutineering/signing on will start on Wednesday.

Sportscars as before i.e. up to 1952.

I have been asked which cars I think should be allowed to run their first session on the Friday afternoon? I think the 3000 cc cars plus the two F3 categories (as they may need to change gear ratios etc for the second session and this will give them more time). What do you think?

Marcus

delta · 20 May 2011, 18:55 (Ref:2883224)

Flipping eck Marcus im still at work on a Friday night cycling home so ive ad a few beers. This all seems a bit complicated to me.If I get another entry are you saying we will get an extra pratice sesion on Friday.

zefarelly · 20 May 2011, 21:30 (Ref:2883283)

Iain, you need a car, not a bike

delta · 21 May 2011, 07:24 (Ref:2883401)

Sorry about yesterdays post Marcus. "bit worse for where".Not involved in F1 but im sure those guy's would apreciate a Friday run. Do not some of them test up the road at La Luc?????on the way down that week. Also spectators will get a chance to see the cars.For me running the F3 1000 cc car last year worked very well as did my the time table for my March 793.I made lots of notes on set up and gear ratio's last year so I am guessing others did the same,if I am lucky enough to be invited back I will be much better prepared.Better get on and earn some money now. What news on FJ running in 2012.

Marcus Mussa · 21 May 2011, 08:40 (Ref:2883425)

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Originally Posted by delta

Sorry about yesterdays post Marcus. "bit worse for where".Not involved in F1 but im sure those guy's would apreciate a Friday run. Do not some of them test up the road at La Luc?????on the way down that week. Also spectators will get a chance to see the cars.For me running the F3 1000 cc car last year worked very well as did my the time table for my March 793.I made lots of notes on set up and gear ratio's last year so I am guessing others did the same,if I am lucky enough to be invited back I will be much better prepared.Better get on and earn some money now. What news on FJ running in 2012.

There will still be two sessions per series, but for some series the first session will be on Friday (and the second and last on Saturday afternoon).
But no FJ - F3 1000 cc has taken over from FJ.

HRSTR5 · 21 May 2011, 17:49 (Ref:2883568)

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Originally Posted by Marcus Mussa

But no FJ - F3 1000 cc has taken over from FJ.

Marcus,

Is that just for 2012 or do the Screamers now have the slot for the foreseeable future?

James

R D P · 21 May 2011, 18:40 (Ref:2883587)

Seems I can save myself quite some money in 2012 - maybe I should have bought a screamer instead of the FJ...

Matthew Sturmer · 22 May 2011, 16:57 (Ref:2883982)

It seems like a sensible solution Marcus. It will also take the pressure off should there be any issues and most importantly, actually give you a chance to watch some of the other cars as with practice and qualifying both on the same day, last year I spent the whole day underground in the "bat cave".

Matthew

delta · 22 May 2011, 19:38 (Ref:2884060)

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Originally Posted by Matthew Sturmer

It seems like a sensible solution Marcus. It will also take the pressure off should there be any issues and most importantly, actually give you a chance to watch some of the other cars as with practice and qualifying both on the same day, last year I spent the whole day underground in the "bat cave".

Matthew

Not as much as me Matt

Should I get another chance going to check,double check,then treblecheck,my HTP papers.

SAMD · 22 May 2011, 20:01 (Ref:2884072)

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Originally Posted by delta

Not as much as me Matt

Should I get another chance going to check,double check,then treblecheck,my HTP papers.

Why do you need an HTP for an F3 car? I mean you can understand some weird tin top needing something official to explain what it is. But a F3 is an F3 is an F3. What importance can the papers have?

SAMD · 22 May 2011, 20:02 (Ref:2884073)

Perhaps that is the wrong question.

Mike Bell · 23 May 2011, 04:43 (Ref:2884213)

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Originally Posted by SAMD

Why do you need an HTP for an F3 car? I mean you can understand some weird tin top needing something official to explain what it is. But a F3 is an F3 is an F3. What importance can the papers have?

Samd, you need to read Iain's report from last year- it's here, post 209 on that thread.

SAMD · 23 May 2011, 06:40 (Ref:2884231)

Thanks for that Mike,

Mmm, I suppose there is more to it than first meets the eye. A bit like anything else one looks at from the periphery.

compte deGraves · 23 May 2011, 10:45 (Ref:2884354)

Marcus,

Do you think that FJs have had it for good at Monaco or is there reason to hope for the future?

Did they do something wrong to annoy the organisers?

Ben Shuckburgh · 23 May 2011, 18:31 (Ref:2884655)

Forgive my ignorance. Who is the organiser for Monaco? How/who do I get in touch with to request entry? Is it a Goodwood type situation?
Thanks

SAMD · 23 May 2011, 19:07 (Ref:2884679)

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Originally Posted by Ben Shuckburgh

Forgive my ignorance. Who is the organiser for Monaco? How/who do I get in touch with to request entry? Is it a Goodwood type situation?
Thanks

Hi Ben, dont quote me on this! but from what I understand the grids are usually well oversubscribed so you need first a car that is eligible for the grid and then preferably something a little different/interesting/intriguing to whet the organisers appetite. And then as usual a little bit o luck. I would imagine google would bring up the organisers details.

Cheers.

delta · 23 May 2011, 20:25 (Ref:2884729)

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As we are all geting in the mood for 2012my freind thats Mon Ami

popped in today with some pics from 2012. I like the one with my race car engineer Alan Morgan and I think I must off past wind in the driver group photograph as they all seem to be looking my way.

grantp · 23 May 2011, 20:36 (Ref:2884737)

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Originally Posted by delta

Attachment 33000As we are all geting in the mood for 2012my freind thats Mon Ami

popped in today with some pics from 2012. I like the one with my race car engineer Alan Morgan and I think I must off past wind in the driver group photograph as they all seem to be looking my way.

I don't think wind would have anything to do with it Iain. Dress code dear boy, that's the key. All 'pilotes' other than your good self were wearing drivery type fashion gear and so were easily recognised as 'pilotes'. Even if partially topless, if you see what I mean. Even got the correct shoes.

IR, on the other hand, not so attired.

They probably thought you were one of those people who just turns up in photos all over the place without being invited.

delta · 23 May 2011, 20:50 (Ref:2884745)

Your right GP but thats because when I get out of racing cars I have to get on with my proper job........ Tea boy

grantp · 23 May 2011, 21:16 (Ref:2884756)

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Originally Posted by delta

Your right GP but thats because when I get out of racing cars I have to get on with my proper job........ Tea boy

So, it being Monaco, they were wondering why you were not carrying a silver tray and a clean white napkin .... or whatever you usually carry for them.

Ben Shuckburgh · 23 May 2011, 21:45 (Ref:2884779)

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Originally Posted by SAMD

Hi Ben, dont quote me on this! but from what I understand the grids are usually well oversubscribed so you need first a car that is eligible for the grid and then preferably something a little different/interesting/intriguing to whet the organisers appetite. And then as usual a little bit o luck. I would imagine google would bring up the organisers details.

Cheers.

Thanks. May have the car......possibly...........

but hoping for a name!

SAMD · 24 May 2011, 09:00 (Ref:2885024)

Hey Grant, dont forget the shorter the trouser the better for dissipating excess gasses.

grantp · 24 May 2011, 09:58 (Ref:2885050)

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Originally Posted by SAMD

Hey Grant, dont forget the shorter the trouser the better for dissipating excess gasses.

True ... but a race suit must offer better trapping capabilities?

PeterMorley · 24 May 2011, 22:52 (Ref:2885490)

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Originally Posted by Ben Shuckburgh

Thanks. May have the car......possibly...........

but hoping for a name!

Go to the Automobile Club of Monaco's website (ACM.MC).
Choose Grand Prix Historique.
Entry forms will be available for download from there sometime.

The organiser's name is Michel Ferry and he speaks loads of languages if you do ring him, but he will be rather busy at present organising this coming weekends procession.

Make sure you fill the forms in completely and don't forget the entry fee (you can use a credit card these days rather than dump 5 grand in their bank account until you find out if you've been accepted or not!) - incomplete forms are returned immediately which isn't a good starting point.

As has been said, entry seemingly depends on the usual criteria for such events - how important is the driver, what history does the driver have and then similar questions about the car!!
It does seem to be easier to get an entry if you are from one of the less well represented countries (so if you've got relatives in Albania...).

And when/if you get there expect to be introduced to the scrutineer's relative who sells surprisingly expensive clothing, fire-extinguishers etc that fortunately have the acceptable labels on them....

Ben Shuckburgh · 25 May 2011, 06:08 (Ref:2885566)

Thanks Peter. That's really helpful. I can but try!

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