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View Poll Results: Which will be the first 2020 GP?
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Old 30 Jul 2020, 18:07 (Ref:3991699)   #1786
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Yes but they signed the contract before the pandemic happened.
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Yes indeed, although another point is the law of the contract since these are international contracts. Any clauses will be determined in accordance with the law of the contract, rather than the law of the land.

Don't most contracts specify which country's legal system will be applicable in determining contractual terms ?
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Yes but they signed the contract before the pandemic happened.
Yes, but have been almost in denial since.

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Old 31 Jul 2020, 21:08 (Ref:3991967)   #1789
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Don't most contracts specify which country's legal system will be applicable in determining contractual terms ?
Yes and we dont know which one is applicable to F1.
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Don't most contracts specify which country's legal system will be applicable in determining contractual terms ?
Bernie probably had a deal with "most wonderful country Khazakstan" ( from Borat) to ensure he got the results out of the courts he wanted.
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Lol, they use the Russian Civil Code. Another issue is the seat of Arbitration, assuming they have a dispute process, because that determines the law covering any disputes.

I confess this conversation is more fun than the events IMO.
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Its been very fun to read. Thank you

Would this be something the FIA dictates? Contracts are effectively signed in France/French law?

Or is it like the driver contract board which is based in Switzerland I think?

Also about the race contracts...i would have thought that race cancellations/postponements had more to do with their insurance carriers although from what i understanding most if not all policies don't consider pandemics as a reason to pay out for any resulting loss of business?
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Its been very fun to read. Thank you

Would this be something the FIA dictates? Contracts are effectively signed in France/French law?

Or is it like the driver contract board which is based in Switzerland I think?

Also about the race contracts...i would have thought that race cancellations/postponements had more to do with their insurance carriers although from what i understanding most if not all policies don't consider pandemics as a reason to pay out for any resulting loss of business?
Well the country where you sign the contract has nothing to do with the law of the contract, so I don't know what jurisdiction they use. As this is an international series, racing all over the world, I'd suggest English law since it is the main (much to French annoyance) business law. Insurances are a contractual requirement in any agreement but to trigger them you need an insurable event. Otherwise it has to be a settlement (contract variation) between the parties.
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And to add to Peter's comments, it has to be borne in mind that the teams' and circuits' (race promoters') contracts are with FOM, not the FIA. And FOM, owned now by Liberty, are based in the UK.
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What is the position if a GP is cancelled by the Government and not the promoter? Further to this question what would happen if the Government decided not to allow the F1 event to run in their country for the projected time of any existing contracts the promoter may have? I can see money that used to be spent by governments to enable F1 events might not be available in some countries because the live audience numbers either are limited or just not interested due to the health risks involved.

I doubt very much if the AGP will run next year and there will be no way the date will be shifted as the current issues in Victoria are extremely serious and once it is under control the governement will in all likelyhood just not allow the event at all. The general consensus here is though the announcement is yet to be made the AGP is a dead duck for perhaps two years at least.

The current problem was caused largely because complacency stepped in and people thought the worst was over so there is no way the government is going to allow that to happen again. Oz is basicaly going to be a gaol for perhaps the next two years or a vaccine is found. It looks like anyone entering has to pay for their own quarantine expenses ($3000AUD) as well which is going to put a lot of people off the idea of coming here.
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Lots of questions and only the contract wording will allow us the answer. Effectively if the law is changed to ban motorsport then the organisers can claim a change in law. But it really does depend on the words in the contract.

In my world this whole thing is creating a new legal and contractual concept. Unfortunately some folks are sticking with the contract which won't assist in the long run.
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Lots of questions and only the contract wording will allow us the answer. Effectively if the law is changed to ban motorsport then the organisers can claim a change in law. But it really does depend on the words in the contract.

In my world this whole thing is creating a new legal and contractual concept. Unfortunately some folks are sticking with the contract which won't assist in the long run.
Along the lines of contract language. Imagine the impact this pandemic will have/is having on future language.

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In my world this whole thing is creating a new legal and contractual concept. Unfortunately some folks are sticking with the contract which won't assist in the long run.
It strikes me that with this Liberty are working with most race organisers rather than arguing over who wins a contract battle. All interested in the longer term for their mutual benefit. Brazil being a notable exception.
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Along the lines of contract language. Imagine the impact this pandemic will have/is having on future language.

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Indeed. In fact a lot of organisations are suggesting collaboration rather than strict contractual arguments. FIDIC in particular.
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