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Old 26 Jul 2020, 12:05 (Ref:3990838)   #31
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Iím sorry, but we are still running a world championship here. Therefore we should not be running it as an experiment and muck around with the format. We run it the same as any other season.
But which season would be the one that we should always follow for format?

There have been many changes to the format over the years, so why not try something?

Then, it's easier to justify not continuing.
When the current 3-session qualifying was introduced, many were against its introduction.
When they tried the new format in 2016, many wanted it abolished straight away and back to the current format. We only got to see that because of experimenting.
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Old 26 Jul 2020, 12:53 (Ref:3990844)   #32
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Iím sorry, but we are still running a world championship here. Therefore we should not be running it as an experiment and muck around with the format. We run it the same as any other season. Also we need to remember F1 is still a sport and also the pinnacle of motorsport, therefore we shouldnít be introducing things that penalise success like other motorsports
The format for this season has already changed, with the introduction of back to back races in Austria and two more back to back races at Silverstone, starting next weekend. Imola will be a two day event, rather than the usual three because of the distance and time needed to travel from Portimao.
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Old 26 Jul 2020, 13:02 (Ref:3990846)   #33
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Indeed, by its very nature this is a sport that already changes a lot.

And speaking of quali...the fixed sets of tires and teams trying to save a set of the softs seems to have made q2 more interesting.

Not giving the teams a choice on compounds is perhaps an idea worth keeping?

But if they keep the idea for too long, teams will just work out the optimal thing to do and then back to a very predictable pattern.

that no one knows how many races their will actually be held is such an interesting variable so for me its already unlike any other season previously ran.

Obviously there are things happening here that cannot be replicated but for me there is a newness/freshness which not only do I appreciate but also which i find necessary in these strange times.
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Old 26 Jul 2020, 13:22 (Ref:3990849)   #34
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Of course we should try new things, but only if it is worth trying. We shouldnít experiment for the sake of it. Look at the double points final and that elimination quali we had for the beginning of 2016. Martin Brundle described them both as an answer to a question no asked and I have to agree. We have had to improvise a bit, through circumstances, but as far as Iím concerned itís the same as any other season, still the best over the course of the season should be on top.

Ross Brawn once suggested non championship races could be used to experiment new ideas and thatís probably better, although that was from a few years ago
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Old 26 Jul 2020, 13:35 (Ref:3990851)   #35
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Just to add...

Its like we are about to witness the start of an avant garde era of sports. Not just F1 but across the sporting world.

Of course sports will need to go back to the traditional with live spectators but in terms of format, structure, and message sports may not be able to go backwards as audiences crave something new to distract from our new collective state.

Perhaps a bit to philosophical for a sunday morning but like art, in order to remain relevant, sports may need to elvole in order to better reflect the changing society it hopes to capitalize on.

Mike Tyson fighting Roy Jones jr (2 men in their 50s) may be the ultimate expression of this as advancing age will be put to the test in almost direct defiance of what covid has exposed about age.

Or it might be the height of absurdity?

Without pushing the boundaries of normal how else would we know?

How do you know what is worth trying until you try it?

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How do we know what is worth trying unless we try it? By that logic we would have seen every rule suggested under no matter how ludicrous and would have made F1 an even bigger laughing stock
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Of course we should try new things, but only if it is worth trying.
How do you determine if something is worth trying?

At what point was it worth trying a 3-stage elimination for qualifying?
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How do you determine if something is worth trying?

At what point was it worth trying a 3-stage elimination for qualifying?
Exactly. I'd still happily go back to a free hour looking for the fastest time.
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Exactly. I'd still happily go back to a free hour looking for the fastest time.
Right...perhaps some of the changes should involve the return of past formats?

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How do we know what is worth trying unless we try it? By that logic we would have seen every rule suggested under no matter how ludicrous and would have made F1 an even bigger laughing stock
Stagnation is the greater fear imo.

Obviously im not suggesting they chug a beer during every pitstop...we are just talking about ideas that have a history of being suggested and/or have been tried by other series in order to see how it fits...and only so during a time of great change.
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How do you determine if something is worth trying?

At what point was it worth trying a 3-stage elimination for qualifying?

Easy. Itís not a ludicrous rule that devalues the sport and/or doomed to fail. Now thatís my opinion ok?
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Easy. Itís not a ludicrous rule that devalues the sport and/or doomed to fail. Now thatís my opinion ok?
Fair enough...to each their own.

Some may say the extent to which RP copied the Merc devalues the sport but on the other hand it has provided 2 additional cars that can challange for podiums.

Which is preferable? Maintaining the status quo or disruption?

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Easy. Itís not a ludicrous rule that devalues the sport and/or doomed to fail. Now thatís my opinion ok?
That's fine.

My opinion is that reverse grids aren't ludicrous or devaluing. I also don't see how it is doomed to fail.

So the time is right to try it.
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Well you are watching the wrong sport if you want reverse grids, this is F1 the pinnacle of motorsport, where the drivers and teams who do the best job are rewarded. Itíll never happen thankfully. This is a sport, not some pure entertainment business.

If itís introduced it will make a mockery of the sport. If you want some contrived entertainment, go watch WWE. At least people donít take that too seriously
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Well you are watching the wrong sport if you want reverse grids, this is F1 the pinnacle of motorsport, where the drivers and teams who do the best job are rewarded. Itíll never happen thankfully. This is a sport, not some pure entertainment business.

If itís introduced it will make a mockery of the sport. If you want some contrived entertainment, go watch WWE. At least people donít take that too seriously
F1 has been about contrived entertainment for a long time now.

Reverse grids can still see reward for those who perform the best.

Every prize given on a Sunday is about who performed the best under the contrived situation that is the regulations of the time.
At the moment, a lot of the contrived situations are focused on the tyres. Whether that is having to use two different tyre compounds, start the race on Q2 tyres (but only part of the grid), have tyres that are not resilient....

The driver that qualifies 10th has no choice of starting tyre, but the driver 11th does. Is that rewarding the better performance? Or is it contrived entertainment?

DRS - reward the driver who has earned track position, or produce overtaking for contrived entertainment?

Everyone looks for something different in F1, and nearly everyone would prefer F1 to be different in some way to how it currently is. Just because someone else's view on what F1 should be or is differs from yours, doesn't make that wrong.
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