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Old 4 Oct 2021, 21:20 (Ref:4076982)   #2791
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One of Domenicali’s key arguments for expanding in the Middle East is that the via the likes of Aramco the region is at the forefront of developing alternative fuels, a direction F1 is taking.

“We always said, this region represents a milestone for the strategic development of F1,” he said last week.

“We see a lot of potential of growth, we see that we can enhance what is F1, it's technology research, it's sporting activation. It's something that is also related to the fact that we do believe that we have a responsibility versus the future of our sustainable project.

“And I think with the powers that we can have here, we can really enhance that, making sure that our future is leading to a platform that is from one side, very, very popular, and very sustainable.”
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Old 6 Oct 2021, 00:39 (Ref:4077123)   #2792
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And also remember they can charge more to the places that need or desire a race for prestige and be able to keep other tracks around on the calendar. Until they start doubling up and making it a ME only series maybe dial back the anger level to a 3. If they can pay great. If the race track is dull as a carpark but the racing is good, great. If the track is a classic but the racing sucks, why are we there again? Oh yeah, cause Monaco brings in the people who want to be associated with the glamour and PAY FOR IT.

That said, cramming a race in places where it doesn't need to be is a fool's errand. See India and Korea sadly, both could have been good but other factors made it a tough sell and the tracks, well..... It feels like Miami will be Monaco in the racing is 1000% secondary to the glad-handing and Paddock Club tickets sold. Similar to the happenings at COTA, it appears a great many people 2 years ago came in the track ground during the race and were they for the other events not the racing. Is that a good or bad thing? Depends on the ticket pricing and the track. I've heard some TERRIBLE stories about COTA and some who claim the exact opposite, I'm inclined to believe the terrible as I know them personally but I hope the track has learned.

Personally wish my dad still ran Aramco Aviation, think I could get a few of those fancy tickets and make all the rich folks uncomfortable with me actually watching the racing. He went to a few in Bahrain and said many of his pilots, Saudi and expat, were big F1 and sportscar fans but others loved the big engine street racing and weren't into the track stuff. But plenty of expats to support multiple races in the region it seems, and tons of money
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Old 6 Oct 2021, 15:12 (Ref:4077212)   #2793
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Definitely the traditional GPs need to not try and outprice themselves. The last thing we need is for F1 to lose them, so hopefully common sense will prevail. Some of the newer events don’t do much for F1. It would be a shame to lose the classical events, but I don’t think that would happen

A lot of countries have tried to make their GP work and have failed, due to there not being a contingency plan. We’ll have to wait and see what Miami does. I do worry for Austin whether it can survive against Miami, but then that’s how it goes

Obviously spectators are really important. For me they are crucial to a lot of events. And to be fair their have been new events that have had a decent crowd, although some have failed in that regard
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Old 6 Oct 2021, 16:03 (Ref:4077219)   #2794
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Definitely the traditional GPs need to not try and outprice themselves.
How do you propose they do that? The venues pay for the privilege of hosting an event, with the likes of Baku paying $60million a year. If existing / new venues that don't fit your paradigm of 'classic' are willing to pay more, how does a traditional GP not become outpriced?

Unless you mean that the traditional GPs should be willing to pay more for the privilege of hosting an event then they currently do?
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Quite frankly the price is too high for some. Events like Baku, Sochi and Abu Dhabi, do we really need them? It’s clear events like Britain, France, Monaco, Italy, Germany, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Australia et al are more important for the fans, so quite why they need to prove themselves by paying more IDK, but the right agreement needs to be reached.

Frankly the money was put too high and Bernie takes the responsibility for that, frankly he should have not let the fees get so high. The circuits are in a tough situation: how to make money without ripping off the fans. I hope something is done
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Quite frankly the price is too high for some. Events like Baku, Sochi and Abu Dhabi, do we really need them? It’s clear events like Britain, France, Monaco, Italy, Germany, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Australia et al are more important for the fans, so quite why they need to prove themselves by paying more IDK, but the right agreement needs to be reached.

Frankly the money was put too high and Bernie takes the responsibility for that, frankly he should have not let the fees get so high. The circuits are in a tough situation: how to make money without ripping off the fans. I hope something is done

For many years it was believed that Monaco didn't even pay a sanctioning fee, but in 2017, Prince Albert, in an interview, claimed that they did have to pay but didn't say how much that fee was. All he said is that Mr E had recognised what value the principality brought to F1, and based the fee on that, and it was possibly low. They also enjoy the only GP that they, as promoters, have the TV rights, including the direction of the filming and provide the feed to other broadcasters which brings in income to set against the sanctioning fee.
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the extra money Liberty is extracting from these 'prestige' races seems to be allowing more favorable deals to be signed with classic venues.

the trade off works for me. i like the future more then the past i guess.

more so when they build these absolute marvels of modern architecture and then dedicate them to auto racing and car ( well Ferrari) culture like in Abu Dhabi...honestly Yas Marina makes Monaco look like a 1970s Soviet era concrete tenement project by comparison and im guessing that whenever the Saudi's finish this race track city resort thing outside of Riyadh it will make Yas Marina look like a dump...and then how bad and decrepit will Monaco look?
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You must be joking. Abu Dhabi is just a see of tarmac. Monaco still looks impressive and up to date. Nothing like an old Soviet tenement.

I have nothing against newer tracks joining, but they have to add something to the calendar or there's no point.
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Still would go for Monaco, better backdrop if you ask me, whatever the age
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I'm with Griff on this, Monaco.
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It’s ok, we’re stay waiting for the official 2022 calendar to come out. I just hope it has enough quality GPs on it
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Ray of light for Albert Park.New South Wales has just announced quarantine free entry for people from overseas from 1 November.Now we just need Victoria to do the same thing.
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