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4 Jul 2003, 17:57 (Ref:652546)
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The better half of each team
OK, we've got a thread asking who's the better half of the grid, but I thought I'd change that round a little - who's the better half of each team? Which is the better driver, in your opinion? We'll probably all agree on quite a few, but I just know we won't on others
 For me, it's like this: Ferrari - Michael, obviously. Williams - JPM, just. And he's getting better. McLaren - Kimi, by more every race. BAR - Button, cos he can get the car home sometimes. Renault - Alonso, by miles. Jordan - Has to be Fisi, but I still don't think he's that great. Toyota - Panis, better than we give him credit for. Jaguar - Webber, future star. Sauber - Heidfeld, not yet missed his chance. Minardi - Jos the Boss, though probably not for long. Last edited by garcon; 4 Jul 2003 at 17:58. |
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4 Jul 2003, 18:24 (Ref:652586)
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I'd go for.....
Ferrari: Michael, no question. Williams: I'll cause a storm and say for pure speed, Ralf. McLaren: Kimi, getting better and better Renault: Alonso is positively embarassing Trulli. Jordan: Easy peasy. Fisssssssi. Sauber: Frentzen..his drives this year have been much underrated. BAR: Button, surprisingly. Toyota: look at the stats and it's easily Panis. Unlucky as hell. Jaguar: only one choice, surely? Webber. Minardi: Jos, but it's getting closer. |
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4 Jul 2003, 19:26 (Ref:652660)
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This one is easy:
Ferrari - Michael by miles and miles and miles and miles and... Williams - Tie - I know this is taking the easy way out. But they really are quite evenly matched. McLaren - Kimi - David, time to go chase chicks full time. BAR - Button. Jacques, see my advice to David. Renault - Alonso. The future of F1. Jordan - Fisi, by miles. Toyota - Panis. Give him a good car, and watch out! Jaguar - Webber. Wow. Looking forward to a decade of him scrapping with Alonso for WDC's. Sauber - Heidfeld - in a good car, he is as good as most. Minardi - Wilson. He impresses me more and more. |
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4 Jul 2003, 19:31 (Ref:652668)
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Mac: The Crow Willy: JP Cojones Regie: 'Alonzo' VodkaV10: Fishy SwissTony: Frenzy Browning Automatic Rifle: Zipper Tohatsu: daShorty ReliantKitten: down draught Weber PastaMaster: Jos Ab-Stepper Hey, it's weekend 
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4 Jul 2003, 19:33 (Ref:652674)
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Ferrari - MS (no contest)
Williams - Montoya McLaren - Raikkonen Renault - Alonso (no contest) BAR - Button (this year at least) Jaguar - Webber. Jordan - Fisichella Sauber - Heidfeld (now; Frentzen's past his best) Toyota - tie. Panis seems to have a slight edge but bear in mind this is CDM's first season in F1. Minardi - tie. |
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4 Jul 2003, 19:34 (Ref:652675)
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This was just set up to create more Ralf v JPM rowing, wasn't it?
Ferrari - Michael Williams - After all the argument in the past week, I'd better abstain McLaren - Kimi, DC's had his day Renault - Alonso, quicker on Saturday let alone Sunday Sauber - Heidfeld has been closer to the pace Jordan - Firman's worked harder, Fisichella's been cruising since Brazil, and I can see Ralph getting better results as the season goes on Jaguar - Webber of course BAR - Jenson seems to have proved himself above jacques, although JV's spirit will be well down Minardi - Jos has been quicker, but Justin's rookie form has been imrpessive, especially those starts Toyota - I'm gonna buck the trend here as well - Da Matta's done really well without preseason testing, and Panis' retirements haven't come with points in the offing (other than last weekend), and his one point was earnt because Cristiano broke down with a few laps left. |
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4 Jul 2003, 19:39 (Ref:652683)
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I think the rookies Wilson and DaMatta have been showing up their far more experienced teammates by staying so close to their pace. Panis and Verstappen have both been in F1 since the mid-90s.
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4 Jul 2003, 20:56 (Ref:652791)
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 Oh, you weren't joking? Yes of course it was.  Well no not entirely - I was hoping for a bit of a Bunsen v Jaques scrap too... 
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4 Jul 2003, 22:41 (Ref:652914)
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Ferrari: TGF
Williams: JPM McLaren: Kimi Renault: Alonso Jordan: Fisichella BAR: Villeneuve (well, you said better driver, I still think Jacques is the better driver, even though Button has been getting the better results) Sauber: Heidfeld (just!) Jaguar: Webber Toyota: Close! I'll go for da Matta, for the reasons mentioned by BootsOntheSide. Minardi: Justin Wilson |
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4 Jul 2003, 22:53 (Ref:652924)
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Ferrari: TGF
Williams: JPM McLaren: Kimi Renault: Alonso Jordan: Fisichella BAR: Button - Outclassed JV all year Sauber: Heidfeld - Continues to work his ass off for little results Jaguar: Webber Toyota: da Matta - Outshining experienced team-mate Minardi: Wilson - Same as da Matta |
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4 Jul 2003, 23:03 (Ref:652933)
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Ferrari - TGF (Unfortunately)and he will make sure it is never any different
Williams - really diffcult - JPM for the racing but too many mistakes. Ralf for getting it home consistently McLaren - Kimi without doubt Renault - Alonso - (Trulli should be out with DC at the end of the year) Jordan - Fisi - although Ralph was closer at Nurburgring than I expected him to get on earlier form. BAR - Button Sauber - Difficult - has to have been the quietest - not seen team this year - Heidfeld just. Jaguar - No doubt - Webber - think he's doing things with that car that it certainly doesn't deserve. Toyota - Close - DaMatta - Impressive debut and I think has more future potential Minardi - Wilson - see above. |
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5 Jul 2003, 03:05 (Ref:653018)
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Ferrari: Michael
Williams: Equal McLaren: Kimi Renault: Alonso Jordan: Fisichella ( but it is getting close) BAR: Equal Sauber: Heidfeld Jaguar: Webber Toyota: again Equal but leaning toward Panis Minardi: Wilson |
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5 Jul 2003, 03:33 (Ref:653028)
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This list is easier then it has been in the past, so I'll only comment where I think it's a little more interesting:
I'm not trying to be a JV booster, but getting the car home has had nothing to do with the driver. JV has pretty much been slower, but sounds like a lot of **** has been going on. I will reserve my judgement for now. At the very least, Button proved that he should not have been writen off last year. I've been surprised Da Matta hasn't done better, but it's been pretty close between the two (considering experience, track time). I think Da Matta will prove to be faster by the end of the year. |
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5 Jul 2003, 16:39 (Ref:653438)
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Here's my 2cents:
Ferrari- TGF is the king, no question, no surprise. Williams- Tough call here, both are coming on strong, but JPM takes more chances and I like that. Mclaren- Kimi, he is beating DC pretty consistently now. Renault- Trulli. He's had terrible luck this year. Everyone here likes Alonso, but two bad missteps, running through Webbers accident in Brazil, and early braking that almost killed DC tell me he's not quite the man yet. Jordan- Fisi for sure, but he's been terrible since Brazil. BAR- Button, he took all the pressure JV could dish out, and stuck it to him by outdrivng him Sauber- Heidfeld, only because you have to pick someone Jaguar- Webber, he took the Jag team to respectability and is a real future star Toyota- DaMatta Minardi- Wilson for sure. His passes from the back of the pack have become almost legendary. A great future So there it is, and who cares, right!
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5 Jul 2003, 18:07 (Ref:653482)
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429: That list just made my weekend.
 Top stuff.Ferrari: TGB Williams: So close. I'd say JPM only because of things like Nurburgring, because he took Michael on and won. He'll push knowing the possible consequences. McLaren: Kimi. DC = PR. Renault: Alonso. He's a top driver. Next year, even better. Jaguar: Webber. Absolutely whizzing on Pizzonia. At the start of the year, either one could have earnt no 1 spot. BAR: Hard to say with all their problems, but slightly leaning towards Button. Could change any race. Sauber: Heidfield. Faster than Frentzen from what I recall. Jordan: Fisi. Firman's not all that far off on sundays but can't beat him. But I reckon Fisi's pretty good anyway. Minardi: Wilson. It's actually a close call to me because hasn't Verstappen finished ahead a fair few times? But what that boy does out of the box... At least it's something that stands out. And that's what he and minardi need. |
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5 Jul 2003, 21:32 (Ref:653582)
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Ferrari: Michael, obviously
Williams: Montoya McLaren: Kimi BAR: Button Jaguar: Mark Webber Renault: Trulli, but Alonso will keep getting better Toyota: of course I'm going to pick Cristiano! Jordan: Fisichella Sauber: Heidfeld Minardi: Wilson |
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5 Jul 2003, 21:48 (Ref:653592)
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Get your facts straight Bootsontheside, Panis has retired from Spain while on for good points, San Marino just outside the points but all the cars in the top teams finished, Brazil he has running infront of iventual winner GF, Malaysia he was 7th I think when he pitted and then stopped on the out lap, so in an ideal world with no retirments, Panis should have got about 10 points by now! He has done a great job and Panis is one of the best drivers in the field and is vastly under rated, mostly by you guys!
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Ferrari: TGF
Williams: Monty McLaren: Kimi BAR: Jacques Jaguar: Webster Renault: Alonso Toyota: Watts Jordan: Fisi Sauber: Frentzy Minardi: Jos "The Boss" Last edited by Fred Perry; 5 Jul 2003 at 21:54. |
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5 Jul 2003, 21:53 (Ref:653595)
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5 Jul 2003, 21:54 (Ref:653596)
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Ferrari: Schumacher
Williams: Equal McLaren: Kimi Renualt: Alonso by miles then McNish THEN TRULLI BAR: Villeneuve - just look how he got into the car on friday against Button. Jaguar: Webber Jordan: Firman Sauber: Frentzen Toyota: Panis Minardi: Wilson |
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5 Jul 2003, 23:27 (Ref:653640)
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Ferrari: Graff von Schumacher
Williams: Equal McLaren: Kimi Raikkonen Renault: Fernando Alonso Sauber: Nick Heidfeld Jordan: Giancarlo "Fisico" Jaguar: Mark Webber BAR: Jenson the Button Stoddardi: Equal Toyota: Equal |
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