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Old 11 Sep 2019, 14:34 (Ref:3927408)   #1786
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That's the issue. Governments can't be held to account by the courts for parliamentary procedure. What if this was about declaring war in defence of the realm, but the Green party wanted to stop it? Certainly for acts where it impacts individuals such as the example I gave above, then yes Judicial review.

But for parliamentary business where they are acting on a mandate?

Peter, in a nutshell, the argument is that the government purposely closed down parliament so that our elected parliamentarians couldn't scrutinise what the executive was doing behind closed doors.

They are not arguing that the government doesn't have the right to prorogue parliament, but it's the way that it's been done so as to effectively shut parliament for over 5 weeks instead of the normal 2 or 3 days.
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Old 11 Sep 2019, 14:37 (Ref:3927409)   #1787
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You may be correct. BTW it's the Supreme Court, used to be the House of Lords.

I blame that on a brain fart!
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Old 11 Sep 2019, 14:45 (Ref:3927411)   #1788
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Indeed. It was Blair trying to be presidential and preparing the UK for federalisation. In reality the same people sit on the bench as in the HoL. But our Parliament and legislature were being subsumed on the altar of the EU. You can see where this is going can't you?
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Old 11 Sep 2019, 14:49 (Ref:3927413)   #1789
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Peter, in a nutshell, the argument is that the government purposely closed down parliament so that our elected parliamentarians couldn't scrutinise what the executive was doing behind closed doors.

They are not arguing that the government doesn't have the right to prorogue parliament, but it's the way that it's been done so as to effectively shut parliament for over 5 weeks instead of the normal 2 or 3 days.

Sorry I missed this. Yes, but I again make the point that if proroguation is made illegal then we are all lost. The reason for doing it was quite clear and since the protestors had had three years to do something and had not done so, then the only way to sort this out was to stop them from interfering. If now due to this decision proroguing parliament is made illegal (since the action does not rely on the reason) then it means that the executive can be stopped by parliament in any decisions. That way lies anarchy.
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Old 11 Sep 2019, 16:08 (Ref:3927423)   #1790
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Whoohoo- anarchy! Canít be any worse?

Sorry, I am jesting. Please ignore the frivolity and carry on.....
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Old 11 Sep 2019, 17:11 (Ref:3927430)   #1791
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What medium do you suggest I access the real story from ? What resources does it have , and why should I rely on it ? Preferably not 'someone you know ' , please .

That is a problem .
large scale surveys in the USA , UK , Germany , Sweden , Holland , [& those are just the ones I have seen ] , show that overall more than 60% of people do not believe the stories the MSM are trying to push .
And I believe that most people know how the EU has been trying to control the Internet , & Google has been censoring its content .

So where to find the actual truth is not easy .
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Old 11 Sep 2019, 17:52 (Ref:3927434)   #1792
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But it's out there , right ?
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Old 11 Sep 2019, 18:04 (Ref:3927439)   #1793
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Now, if I were Boris and lost the prorogation, I would schedule an important vote on the day of each party leader's keynote speech to their conferences. Except the Conservative conference of course.

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Old 11 Sep 2019, 18:40 (Ref:3927447)   #1794
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But it's out there , right ?
Finding the truth is not easy .

Look how the BBC kept the truth about Jimmy Savile covered up for many years .
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........ but it's the way that it's been done so as to effectively shut parliament for over 5 weeks instead of the normal 2 or 3 days.
Not quite; the Lords Library reports that the mean prorogation for the last 20 years is 8 days;
https://researchbriefings.parliament.../LLN-2019-0111

Add to this the absolutely normal Autumn Recess of 3 weeks for party conference season, and as was stated at the time, only an additional 3 or 4 days have been lost. The House - mostly the opposition parties - spent 1.5 hours wittering on about Bercow's (long-overdue) departure, you may think if they had more important matters to discuss they would have done so.
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Operation Yellowhammer........

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nR0lOtdvqyg

Or alternatively.......

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V7NlFWh7Sz8
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Yes, it's amazing how these things get spun. Why would you suggest that everything in the garden is rosy if you want people to take things seriously? I'm sure Armageddon is not going to happen even if there are a few delays in delivery of peaches from Spain.
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Incidentally did you know that trade agreements have been reached with 45 countries so far? Of those countries Norway, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Colombia and Switzerland have significant GDP.

Obviously more to come but the EU replacements appear to be lining up. Since much of our fruit can come from these countries things don't look that desperate at the moment.
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Never mind all of this positive news. I have just learned that once we have Brexited it will again become mandatory to display the bold style GB plates on the back of our vehicles when driving outside the UK. (This also includes of course Southern Ireland).
I wonder if you can still get the Townsend Thorenson ones?
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