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Old 7 Sep 2019, 13:26 (Ref:3926349)   #1021
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So, on to Monza. Two quicker cars break down in Q1 and STILL no Q2. Monza - a low downforce track so maybe a lack of downforce not such an issue but still dog slow. Poor aero generally? - no downforce loads of drag - or / plus poor chassis?. Itís a LONG way back.....
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Old 11 Sep 2019, 19:12 (Ref:3927454)   #1022
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a low downforce track so maybe a lack of downforce not such an issue but still dog slow. Poor aero generally?
To save money, Williams did not bother to design, build or bring a low downforce rear wing for Spa and Monza... that explains their unimpressive straight line speeds.

Note the deep wing on the Williams compared to rival cars...

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Old 11 Sep 2019, 19:56 (Ref:3927465)   #1023
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To save money, Williams did not bother to design, build or bring a low downforce rear wing for Spa and Monza... that explains their unimpressive straight line speeds.
I am not sure what to think of that. It raises more questions. I know they are underfunded, but in the end, I would think that normally they would have had a low downforce setup like everyone else. I can't remember, but did they have a special Monaco setup (I assume teams have a unique Monaco setup beyond the changes required for the tight turns).

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* So underfunded that they can't do proper development for all expected scenarios?
* Focusing attention elsewhere (i.e. have fully abandoned development of the 2019 car)?
* All of the above?

I guess my prior thought is that while underfunded, their bigger issue was internal/management issues (which resulted in the poorly designed and late car). But now I wonder if more is going on that if they can't even attempt to bring the right aero spec to races. Are they bringing ANY development bits for the 2019 car to races at this point? I seem to remember that before the summer break they brought updates to the car.

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Old 11 Sep 2019, 20:42 (Ref:3927476)   #1024
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I seem to remember that before the summer break they brought updates to the car.


In Germany, Williams brought new bargeboards, new rear wing endplates, and a new floor. Steady does it, I say... The update was said to be worth 0.3-0.4 seconds per lap -- a wonderful gain to steadily close the gap to P18!

The package also included a revised upper pivot for the upper front wishbone, to change the front end geometry. However only Russell has chosen to run this, and Kubica went back to the old front suspension.









Still no sign of an improved front wing... Be it a Red Bull style or a Ferrari style.

The packaging of the actual mechanical bits seems to be very nicely done on the other hand, the contoured radiator is particularly spiffy:


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Was digging elsewhere and similar comments. Also... apparently Kubica now has a custom steering wheel with most buttons moved to the left side. I also didn't know that he uses only his left hand to up/down shift. I always supposed his damage hand was mostly a strength issue, but apparently it lacks dexterity as well.

Regardless, it looks like Williams has VERY limited ability to bring upgrades to races and are not focusing on limited use (select circuit) aero components at all. It all comes across like they are hanging on by their fingernails?

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Old 11 Sep 2019, 22:44 (Ref:3927492)   #1026
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It kind of feels like "We're going to be last regardless, why bother spending more money in 2019 to be slightly less last"
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Are the Williams new parts meant as upgrades, or replacement of parts beyond their useful lives?

The reported loss just recently suggests money may not be abundant at Grove..
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The loss mentioned above...

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...wing-poor-2018

Are they hanging on until 2021 with the expectations that the new financial structure will greatly benefit them? Anyone expect them to move up the grid at all in 2020? Sadly, I just dont see that happening.

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The loss mentioned above...

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...wing-poor-2018

Are they hanging on until 2021 with the expectations that the new financial structure will greatly benefit them? Anyone expect them to move up the grid at all in 2020? Sadly, I just dont see that happening.

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Accounting losses actually dont mean a lot to anyone except people who lend money.. and of course the sharemarkets... cashflow is more important but it doesnt seem to be being shared..
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Accounting losses actually dont mean a lot to anyone except people who lend money.. and of course the sharemarkets... cashflow is more important but it doesnt seem to be being shared..
This isn't my area of expertise, and understand your comment about cash flow. But they are bringing in less money compared to this time last year. They are likely feeling the pinch.

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This isn't my area of expertise, and understand your comment about cash flow. But they are bringing in less money compared to this time last year. They are likely feeling the pinch.

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Yes Richard, but looking at ALL Williams Companies/Holdings etc etc.. they are very solvent. Yes.. in the UK, money gets "moved" to accounts for tax not payable etc. They're fine..
I find it weird that people some quote on here about stuff financially they no nothing about.. or even remark "he can't afford that". How do they know? Perhaps I'm missing something..the UK is unique in its profit/loss system of shifting money around. Ask Jacob Rees Mogg!!
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Williams and Mercedes have agreed to an extension on the engine deal, until 2025. That's got to be good news.

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/145961
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I'd suggest that they realise they aren't going to do much this year and might as well just focus on next year. Russell is in his rookie year and Kubica is not the old Kubica. Next year they'll have a better car and a different teammate for George.
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Glad to see Merc giving them an extension. Just what they need if they are to have any chance of survival.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Latifi replace Kubica for 2020
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