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Old 15 Jul 2019, 15:13 (Ref:3917857)   #16
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I think Vettel doesn’t really feel he needs to achieve much more in the sport. He’s got his four titles after all
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Old 15 Jul 2019, 15:23 (Ref:3917859)   #17
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Good old Eddie Jordan was back on Channel 4 for the Grand Prix this weekend. His prediction (albeit for 2021) was Vettel & Verstappen at Mercedes & Hamilton to Ferrari ('to finish his Formula 1 career')!
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Old 15 Jul 2019, 22:01 (Ref:3917939)   #18
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Vettel has a big question mark, which I think will be key. As will what Bottas does
I think those 2 are indeed key, but for Bottas: it doesn't depend on what Bottas does, is depends on what Mercedes decides.


I can't see Verstappen go to Ferrari. Staying at Red Bull for 2020 is no worse option, and he can still see what happens for 2021. I think he targets Hamilton's seat (for 2021 or beyond)

I understand why EJ said Hamilton would go to Ferrari in that case. Verstappen-Hamilton just won't work (*), and the chance of winning in a Ferrari is something only few can resist.

(*) I didn't think EJ meant that Hamilton would be afraid of Verstappen, just that it would not work. Think Hamilton-Rosberg, just maybe worse.


On the other hand, I can't see Verstappen-Vettel at Mercedes either. Mercedes has not need for Vettel, unless he dramatically improves in 2020, in which case he has no need to leave Ferrari and they have no need to let him go.
If Mercedes needs someone to partner Verstappen, I think they would go for Ocon or Russell anyway. Why raise young drivers if you're not going to use them?


Ricciardo to Ferrari? Maybe. If Vettel leaves or has to leave, what choice do they have? Verstappen won't do it I think and will probably be too expensive anyway (especially if they have to buy out Vettel's contract). They have a few youngsters but none of them are ready or have enough SuperLicense points.
That leaves Ricciardo, Alonso, Bottas (?) (but why take him if he is dropped by Mercedes)
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Old 17 Jul 2019, 15:49 (Ref:3918195)   #19
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Hamilton will never be a Ferrari signing, his driving style is their cup of tea but his out of the car stuff certainly isn't.

I've heard on the vine that Grosjean is definitely out, KMag is staying.

Seems to me Gasly has to keep up his Silverstone form for the rest of the year or he's out. If Albon keeps improving, he might get the gig.

Whilst i'd love to see Alonso back, Renault would be wise to keep the current line up unless they are absolutely sure they can sign someone who is guaranteed to do better than Hulk. Don't think there's very many who could that would be either available or affordable.

If Vettel does the right thing and puts his career out of its misery, Ferrari may need to put someone like Hulk in as a 1-2 year stop gap until they can get who they want.
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Old 17 Jul 2019, 18:19 (Ref:3918215)   #20
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I made a list of Vettel mishap in wheel to wheel through the last few seasons:


June 2017 Bakuh (Vettel Hamilton incident)
Sept 2017 Singapore (Vettel, Verstappen, Raikkonen incident)
Oct 2017 Mexico (Verstappen vs Vettel, drives his front wing off at T2)

Jun 2018 France (Hits Bottas at T1)
Jul 2018 Germany (goes off in the wet)
Sept 2018 Monza (spun after contact with Hamilton)
Oct 2018 Japan (drives into Verstappen who’s ahead)
Oct 2018 COTA (runs into Ricciardo who’s ahead)

Mar 2019 Bahrein (goes on the throttle too early in fight with Hamilton)
Jun 2019 (misses braking point, cut’s chicane and gets penalty)
Juli 2019 Silverstone (Rams Verstappen off the track)




I'm not sure how he's gonna turn it around. What would change? As others have said, I like the guy off the track. However it's reaching a point that same input will give the same output.
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Old 18 Jul 2019, 11:51 (Ref:3918334)   #21
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It seems people will remember him more for the mistakes in later years than his four world titles at this rate. It seems he doesn't have the mental approach to turn things around
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Old 18 Jul 2019, 13:05 (Ref:3918342)   #22
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Formulahistory should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Mercedes: Hamilton - Bottas
Ferrari: Vettel - Leclerc
Red Bull: Verstappen - Kvyat
McLaren: Sainz - Norris
Renault: Ricciardo - Ocon
Alfa Romeo: Räikkönen - Giovinazzi
Racing Point: Pérez - Stroll
Toro Rosso: Albon - Gasly

Haas: Magnussen - Hülkenberg
Williams: Russell - Latifi
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Old 18 Jul 2019, 14:06 (Ref:3918347)   #23
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Mercedes: Hamilton - Bottas
Ferrari: Vettel - Leclerc
Red Bull: Verstappen - Kvyat
McLaren: Sainz - Norris
Renault: Ricciardo - Ocon
Alfa Romeo: Räikkönen - Giovinazzi
Racing Point: Pérez - Stroll
Toro Rosso: Albon - Gasly

Haas: Magnussen - Hülkenberg
Williams: Russell - Latifi


Notice only one rookie, like it was at the start of 2009
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Mercedes: Hamilton - Bottas
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Red Bull: Verstappen - Kvyat
McLaren: Sainz - Norris
Renault: Ricciardo - Ocon
Alfa Romeo: Räikkönen - Giovinazzi
Racing Point: Pérez - Stroll
Toro Rosso: Albon - Gasly

Haas: Magnussen - Hülkenberg
Williams: Russell - Latifi
Can we seriously see Kvyat being re-promoted to Red Bull? Surely not......??? If I had no choice outside what I already have, I'd keep Gasly.

Russell seriously needs to find himself another berth before his career is completely killed off before it's really started.
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Can we seriously see Kvyat being re-promoted to Red Bull? Surely not......??? If I had no choice outside what I already have, I'd keep Gasly.

Russell seriously needs to find himself another berth before his career is completely killed off before it's really started.
I agree with both there and would add who could someone sign Ocon at this point? Renault backed out to put Ricciardo in the seat and Wolff and Abiteboul have had a word joust about being gentleman and backing out of the deal. But just today I've seen reports of him in Haas before the end of the season and in the Renault or Mercedes for 2020 so apparently everyone wants him.

Promoting Kvyat would mean you have to release Gasly, you can't demote him and expect a result with the history Red Bull has had. And it's not like Dany is tearing up the racing scene and at the front of the mid-pack. Gasly has had his moments and 55 points compared to 12 points to Kvyat, neither have any podium appearances but that's a wide margin of points.

Russell I think has the challenge of being MB affiliated and being behind Ocon who they can't manage to find a seat in the field. He's stuck until Lewis, or Bottas even, decides he's done racing I think. They have the old Red Bull problem and one Marko wishes he still had, too many drivers and not enough seats.
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Old 19 Jul 2019, 07:04 (Ref:3918428)   #26
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Can we seriously see Kvyat being re-promoted to Red Bull? Surely not......??? If I had no choice outside what I already have, I'd keep Gasly.

Russell seriously needs to find himself another berth before his career is completely killed off before it's really started.
Tost has hinted that there is no reason why Kyvat can't have a second chance in the senior team.

And agree on Russell, although plenty of top drivers have started out in backmarker teams. Alonso, Webber, Hakkinen to name but three
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Haas: Magnussen - Hülkenberg
No chance, that would lead to more repairs than with Grosjean!

The two do not get on!
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No chance, that would lead to more repairs than with Grosjean!

The two do not get on!
Yes, good point. One of them certainly needs to grow up a bit.
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I wouldn’t be surprised if both are dropped
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I think Jan's kid is safe for 2020, beyond that?? He might have to acknowledge sportscars will be his future, or Indy like the rest of the F1 midfield.

Hulk might be in the same position but think I've heard positive things about his setup and car feeling reporting, with the new rules posited about car-to-pit information that may be more important and save his seat as a #2. But then some of the new kids might be as good and not have the baggage of his race history, easier when it's season 1 or 2 and no podium than multiple years later.
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