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The grandly named and most enjoyable annual meeting is run by Peter Auto, but will have added interest in 2017 with grids from HGPCA. It is also a round of the FJ Lurani Trophy, and should feature the new PA F2 series as well.
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Old 9 Jun 2017, 13:29 (Ref:3739692)   #31
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Just seen the Howmet...fabulous!
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We've got a Howmet in CER1! Not the same car that raced previously with PA, but same owner. Get ready for paraffin fumes......

Er, Howmany are there?


Wiki suggests 2 were built, at some point a spare was built of an owner .... and then mentions a 4th owned by McKee where they were built.

Wrong turbines though .... how do they get papers?




http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...04-07-035a.jpg

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Old 9 Jun 2017, 18:14 (Ref:3739763)   #33
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The one Mike refers to has been modified by Crubilé Sports in France. The main thing was to have some "idle" from the chopper turbine to help when cornering and to avoid burning the brake pads too soon. Not a piece of cake, the work has been done by a former army mechanic if my memory serves. Papers? Whatzat? And noise…*
Mike, congrats to your SLR boys, as fast as a well known E Type if my reading is good. The 356 has been really fast too. Have fun.
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The one Mike refers to has been modified by Crubilé Sports in France. The main thing was to have some "idle" from the chopper turbine to help when cornering and to avoid burning the brake pads too soon. Not a piece of cake, the work has been done by a former army mechanic if my memory serves. Papers? Whatzat? And noise…*
Mike, congrats to your SLR boys, as fast as a well known E Type if my reading is good. The 356 has been really fast too. Have fun.

According to Wiki the Wastegate was intended to to offer some sort of balance of power for handling issues.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howmet_TX


From what the article says the re-turbined cars may not have the feature.
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I'll ask for you, Grant, if you like it. I use to race with Crubilé's father in the '80 and know quite well his son Sebastien and one of his mechanics. I do remember discussions about this particular car and they always said it was quite a challenge to bring drivability at a decent level for a "normal" driver using it on european type tracks. Thanks for the Wiki link, this one is well documented.
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Interesting, thanks Gerard! Any info would be good to receive, as I'm sure lots of tenthers like to know about such rare cars.

Meanwhile......
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Mike, congrats to your SLR boys, as fast as a well known E Type if my reading is good. The 356 has been really fast too. Have fun.
Think a lot of us had a good day yesterday. The early rain was soon dried up and threatened showers later missed us. Supper in our favourite little Auberge out in the sticks was the icing on the cake!

Congratulations to Mr Ruston's mob who got the Elva GT160 right up the sharp end in qualifying for 60s Endurance. Sure that put a few noses out of joint! For the Morgan to finish P2 in the class behind it was also impressive, over a second ahead of the the fastest 911 time set by Olly Bryant. Let's hope the race is as good for both British cars!

The Stephens family were also going well in their 356, but seemed like it was the Scrutineers day for targeting that model of Porsche! After qualifying they were having the full monte along with at least one other. Hope it didn't upset any evening supper reservation, Will!

2nd qualifying for CER1 after lunch and 2hr race for 60s at 1700hrs. Fingers crossed.....
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As told during winter, the scrutineers got new toys to play with, even an hydraulic lift and endoscopes. They are looking for dog engagement and when present the synchromesh system must operate when applicable. From Mister "de Polyester" words easy to spot. I wonder when they will check some 911'S wheelbase though. There is as much to improve in the chassis section as in the engine.

Anyway, have fun all and bring the cars with no damage!
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Interesting, thanks Gerard! Any info would be good to receive, as I'm sure lots of tenthers like to know about such rare cars.

Meanwhile......
Damn it! Should've been there - sounds like the story I am looking for...

A Howmet ran at FoS a few years ago - wonder if it's the same one?

Glad it's going well so far, Mike - I trust you are avoiding the busy little bees!
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Interesting, thanks Gerard! Any info would be good to receive, as I'm sure lots of tenthers like to know about such rare cars.

Meanwhile......
Interesting photo.

Comparing to the Wiki page photos it looks like it has the same three pipes, the smaller one in the middle rather than to the nearside as per the Wiki snaps.

Here is an article with what looks like possibly a period photo of the turbine installation.

http://www.petestowe.talktalk.net/p_howmet.htm

And if this works, a photo that certainly looks like it is period from a blog.

http://flaviendachet.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/

Quite a few more handy pics collected there as well.
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I'll ask for you, Grant, if you like it. I use to race with Crubilé's father in the '80 and know quite well his son Sebastien and one of his mechanics. I do remember discussions about this particular car and they always said it was quite a challenge to bring drivability at a decent level for a "normal" driver using it on european type tracks. Thanks for the Wiki link, this one is well documented.
Gerard, from what I have read the Howmet was tricky to drive even in the relatively wide open spaces of US circuits and when fitted with a working wastegate. A track like Brands Hatch and non-working wastegate must have been impossible - hence the accident after 7 laps.

That said they qualified it 7th and there were the 3 works Porsches ahead of them plus some other useful cars so not a bad showing all things considered.

Indeed at the start they were up to 5th going into Paddock Hill Bend.

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I can't believe you both have such an interest and knowledge about this car.
OK, lets go for it! John, you got a reply to your PM.
Grant, I think the same driver owns or at least use to own 2 cars. Grant again, I tried with no success so far to contact Olivier, former helicopter pilot/mechanic who took care of the adjustment of the wastegate from the auxiliary turbine. Sorry for the bad joke about "papers" and thanks not taking it in count…
I think I can arrange a visit to the garage at least for John, because its the place I'll bring one of my cars to have it dyno tested. The rolling road is probably not fantastic but the guy has the know how. Crubilé has been chosen by La Sarthe museum to refurbish and ex Le Mans Porsche.
Please always bear in mind that historic racing in France has nothing to see with what you know in UK. I said to Mike we are underdeveloped…
The race just started, lets see what they can do!!
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If I can read my computer right, I would say the SLR has been playing a lot with Biehler's leading 911 then took advantage just before the pit stop. Seems they won the GTS 11 and finished 13 overall out of 56, with a 5 laps gap with the winner (small gap for a 2 H race at Prenois).
The 356 could finish 29th.
Mike ? Champagne n'est-ce pas ?
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Hi Gerard,

It seems the car(s) have been more active after their season and a bit of racing (and then the speed records) than they might have expected to be after a relatively short official racing career.

I came across this shot just now.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/smuckatelli/7743584820


Incredible hi-tech period correct support equipment deployed and I much admire the simplicity of the pit design and build.

It's interesting to consider how much potential company brand awareness Howmet may have obtained from a short but novel period of racing involvement.

The name still appears as part of Alcoa with facilities in North America and Europe.

The Howmet, Alan Mann Ford P68 ( a simply fabulous looking car ) and the Chaparrals of the period added some special interest to the meetings, in my opinion.
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Correct- P13 and class win!

Luck was on our side as we were in middle of our 5'.19" pit stop when there was a short SC period. At that point there was a 911 just ahead of us but it had to do two or three slow laps behind SC, and we emerged nearly 30secs in front. For the rest of the race we matched their lap times and finished with a similar margin. Makes all the pain early in the week worthwhile!

Cold beer just consumed- hopefully podium champagne at the do tonight!
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