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Canadian Grand Prix 2016: Grand Prix Weekend Thread

From one street circuit to another, as Formula 1 crosses the pond from the tiny principality of Monaco to the vibrant city of Montréal, the first of the 2016 season's four races in the Americas is a sharp contrast to Monte Carlo, although like the Monegasque event, it is held in distinctive immediate surroundings and a city which embraces the event. This is no mean feat in a large place like this Québec metropolis, which buzzes to the presence of the Formula 1 circus every June and has done since 1978.

The Canadian Grand Prix is also, like Monaco, a massively anticipated race. In fact, it is one which seems to generate the momentous, the dramatic and at times the downright bizarre. The track is surrounded by barriers and the Saint Lawrence River. The similarities end there, for the former Circuit Ile Notre-Dame, rechristened the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve in 1982 following the Formula 1 hero's passing earlier that year, is low downforce and has long straights punctuated by various quick chicanes. It takes its toll on brakes and chassis stability under braking is essential. It also seems that due to the welcome given to the sport by the locals and the exciting race that always seems to lie in store, everyone enjoys going to Montréal. Due to its early evening start time for European eyes, it is also among the most watched Grands Prix.

There is a 60% chance of a safety car in Montréal, the possibility of which must be factored into race strategy. It is fair to say that this is an unpredictable race, for the pole position driver has gone on to win the Grand Prix just 35% of the time since 2000. Overtaking is highly possible. There are two DRS areas, down the back-straight and on the start-finish straight, activated by just one zone, on the run down to the final hairpin. It also tends to lead to close finishes. In the last 13 Grands Prix, the margin of victory has been under 3 seconds in 8 of them. There is a short pitlane, with a pitlane time of around 18 seconds.

The history of Canada's Grand Prix goes back to 1961. The event was held at Mosport Park in Ontario and was for sportscars which conformed to the Canadian Sports Car Championship regulations. It was won by Canadian driver Peter Ryan in a Lotus 19-Climax, followed by Pedro Rodriguez in a privateer-run Ferrari 250 TR, with Stirling Moss making up the podium in his Lotus 19-Climax with the British Racing Partnership team. Over the coming years, the race would be won by drivers who had previously competed or currently competed in Formula 1. 1966 saw the race held to Can-Am regulations and formed part of that championship. Attracting a field of 30 starters, it was won by Penske driver Mark Donohue in a Lola T70-Chevrolet.

1967 began a sequence of four years in which the race switched between Mosport Park and Québecois circuit Mont-Tremblant. It was also the first time the event was part of the Formula 1 world championship and it was a one-two for Brahham-Repco with reigning world drivers' champion and world constructors' champion team owner Jack Brabham leading home Denny Hulme. Canadian driver Al Pease lost six laps after changing a battery on the grid and after spinning and stalling, he returned to the pits on foot and changed battery again, finishing 43 laps down. The following season at Mont-Tremblant, Hulme took the spoils in his McLaren-Ford when Chris Amon, having dominated the first 72 laps, was struck by his infamous bad luck, his Ferrari's transmission failing. Bruce McLaren completed a New Zealand one-two.

In 1969, Jackie/Jackys Stewart and Ickx battled for the lead at Mosport Park but stumbled upon Al Pease and collided with each other. Stewart complained about Pease's speed regarding his crash with Ickx. Pease was shown the black flag and is the only driver to have been disqualified in Formula 1 history for just driving too slowly (he had completed under half the amount of laps of the leaders). After winning in '69, Jacky Ickx also took the 1970 event at Mont-Tremblant, leading home a Ferrari 1-2 with Clay Regazzoni runner-up.

The event reverted to being held solely at Mosport Park and Jackie Stewart won the next couple of races, including in the heavy rain in 1971, the first time a Formula 1 race was red-flagged. 1973 was another first, this time the first time the safety car was used in F1. In very wet conditions and after a collision between François Cevert and Jody Scheckter, the safety car driver picked up the wrong car, which meant that several drivers gained a lap on the leaders, including Peter Revson. At the finish, various drivers were considered to have won. Lotus boss Colin Chapman did his usual victory celebration of throwing his cap into the air for Emerson Fittipaldi. New Zealander Howden Ganley believed he had won the race. Race officials received various protests including one from Ganley's girlfriend, who had been keeping the lap chart; the official lap chart erroneously has him down as making a pitstop that he didn't. Eventually, Revson was declared the winner.

The race was run at Mosport Park three more times, although was not held in 1975. At the final of those events in 1977, Gilles Villeneuve made his Ferrari debut. The following year, the Canadian Grand Prix moved to the circuit we now consider its home. It had been built on a mainly man-made island developed for Expo a few years earlier. Villeneuve won the inaugural Grand Prix.

In 1982, Riccardo Paletti died when he charged into the back of Didier Pironi off the start-line. It was in that year that the event had moved from October to June, where it has remained ever since, except in 1987 when a sponsorship dispute between two breweries led to its getting called off and in 2009 when it also was not run.

In 1991, Nigel Mansell, ever the show man and having dominated the Grand Prix in his Williams-Renault and with a massive lead over Nelson Piquet's Benetton-Ford, let the revs drop too low on the final lap while waving to the crowd and stalled the engine. Piquet came through to win from Stefano Modena in a Tyrrell-Honda. The following year, despite having dominated all the races and taken all the wins, except Monaco when he was stuck behind Senna, Mansell couldn't make it work here. Senna had taken pole, with Mansell only third, one of just two pole positions not taken by the Englishman that season. When he tried to pass Senna at the final chicane, Nigel ran wide and spun out. Gerhard Berger won.

In 1993, Alain Prost took a fairly commanding win over the Benetton of Michael Schumacher and the Williams of his team-mate Damon Hill. Schumacher took one of his many wins in 1994, leading Hill home, with Jean Alesi third for Ferrari. The following season, Alesi took a widely popular win, coming home first in a Ferrari, Car Number 27, just like Gilles Villeneuve. It was to be his only win in Formula 1. It was an interesting set of results with the Jordans of Barrichello and Irvine completing the podium, Olivier Panis fourth in his Ligier and two Footworks, a Tyrrell and the Minardi of Luca Badoer in the top ten. Only nine drivers completed the distance.

Damon Hill beat new team-mate and son of Gilles, Jacques Villeneuve in 1996. The following year, Olivier Panis broke his legs in a crash. 1998 had a dramatic start to the race when Alexander Wurz collided with Alesi, Johnny Herbert and Jarno Trulli and rolled over at the first corner. The race was red-flagged and they all took the restart in their teams' spare cars. This time, after Ralf Schumacher spun, Alesi and Trulli again got caught up in an incident and were out of the race. Michael Schumacher won, despite a 10-second stop-go penalty for driving Frentzen out to the grass at Turn 1 and making him spin off.

1999 was the year that caused the outer wall on the final chicane to become known as 'The Wall of Champions' after three world champions, Damon Hill, Michael Schumacher and Jacques Villeneuve crashed there. Reigning world champion, Mika Hakkinen, did not, and won the Grand Prix. The safety car was deployed an at-the-time record four times and it was also the first race to finish behind the safety car, following a big crash for Frentzen.

Two years later, two brothers finished 1-2 for the first time in Formula 1 history, and it was Ralf Schumacher who finished ahead of Michael. They repeated the feat for the fourth time in their career two years later, although this time it was Michael ahead of Ralf. In 2004, Michael Schumacher again finished just ahead of Ralf Schumacher, but the Williams driver was disqualified along with his Williams team-mate Juan-Pablo Montoya and the two Toyotas of Cristiano da Matta and Olivier Panis, due to illegal brake ducts.

In 2007, Lewis Hamilton won in his first season from pole to take his first Grand Prix victory. His victory last time out in Monaco has meant that he has now won at least once in ten consecutive seasons, something only Alain Prost and Michael Schumacher also managed to do. Hamilton's McLaren team-mate Fernando Alonso had a scrappy race involving running wide at least three times, before he was finally overtaken by Takuma Sato's Super Aguri near the end. Alexander Wurz got his last podium in third, ten years after his Grand Prix debut at the circuit. Robert Kubica crashed in spectacular style and was sidelined for the next race, which is what led to Sebastian Vettel's Grand Prix debut for BMW next time out at Indianapolis.

In 2008, Robert Kubica made up for what happened the previous year, by taking his first Formula 1 win and also the lead of the world championship. Lewis Hamilton drove into the back of Kimi Raikkonen in the pitlane when the red light was on and Nico Rosberg went into the back of him. David Coulthard completed the podium for Red Bull.

Jenson Button took an excellent win in 2011, after rain and a massive delay before the restart. It was an epic race, the longest from the start time to finally finishing due to such a long red-flag period. Button had an extremely incident-packed race, involving crashes with Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton (when Lewis tried to overtake alongside the pitwall), a puncture and a penalty, culminating in taking the lead from Sebastian Vettel, when after applying pressure he got past the Red Bull driver on the last lap.

Lewis Hamilton became the seventh winner in the season's seven races in 2011, which was a record. In 2014, Daniel Ricciardo, like Hamilton seven years before him, took his first Grand Prix win in Montréal. The race ended under the safety car after a big crash between Sergio Perez and Felipe Massa. Last year, Lewis Hamilton won from pole position, extending his championship lead over Nico Rosberg to 17 points.

This season, the normally ever-smiling Daniel Ricciardo will go into the Canadian Grand Prix no doubt showing the aggression of the honey badger, as he is sometimes nicknamed. The Monaco disappointment was hard to bear for him and it is clear that beneath the positive demeanour and enjoyment he gets from the whole Formula 1 experience lies a man with massive ambition and drive. In Monte Carlo, for the second race in a row, he was disadvantaged by extremely questionable Red Bull strategy. This time, it was his team's willingness to make him lose track position, at Monaco of all places, when he didn't need to jump first and make the first move. After changing tyres, not only did he lose track position to Mercedes and Lewis Hamilton, but Hamilton got a chance to see how long he could make the wets last; Red Bull could have done the same and pitted him as soon as he started to lose time. As it was, Lewis went for the ultrasofts; getting heat into the tyres after pitstops is one of the few frailities of the Mercedes car, so they went for the tyre that they knew could most help them do that. Despite this, a bad out lap for Lewis cost him seven seconds and so Red Bull only had to capitalise with their next stop, but they didn't have the tyres ready.

Again, Mercedes's risk of not getting the tyres into the operating window is a potential problem in Montréal, as the track has big changes in temperature and forecast conditions for this weekend are cool. This could lead to some warm-up challenges that Red Bull should be looking to exploit by finally getting on top of strategy. The track is not particularly hard on tyres, but it will nonetheless be tricky to do one stop (unlike last year). With ultrasoft, supersoft and soft compounds available, it looks like events will mostly revolve around the use of the soft and the ultrasoft. Most teams have chosen very few sets of the supersofts, with Renault and Haas taking none at all.

It is also worth looking out for Red Bull's performance in the low-speed corners. The Red Bull has good traction, so although outright engine power is important here, the Red Bull's mechanical grip ought to give the team good possibilities to do well. With a power upgrade in the Renault in Monaco, they are also looking better on that front. Ferrari, meanwhile, need to start pulling something out of the bag soon to salvage something from 2016, as their upgrade in Russia didn't move them near the front. They seem to have stabilized, comparatively speaking, with Mercedes and risk Red Bull repeatedly overcoming them.


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Constructors’ championship standings: http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-...standings.html

Drivers’ championship standings: http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-...standings.html

Canadian Grand Prix tyre selections: http://www.fia.com/news/f1-2016-cana...ed-sets-driver

Circuit length: 4.361km
Number of laps: 70
Race distance: 305.27km
First Canadian Grand Prix: 1961
First World Championship Canadian Grand Prix: 1967
First Grand Prix at this circuit: 1978
Dry weather tyre compounds: Soft, Supersoft and Ultrasoft
DRS Detection Zone: After Turn 9
DRS Activation Zone 1: Between Turns 12 and 13
DRS Activation Zone 2: On start-finish straight
Lap Record: 1:13.622 – Rubens Barrichello – Ferrari (2004)


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Old 9 Jun 2016, 11:13 (Ref:3648433)   #2
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One of my favourite GPs, always look forward to it
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Old 9 Jun 2016, 12:54 (Ref:3648458)   #3
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Nice intro BR. So many car breaking chicanes always seem to catch a few out especially onto the start/finish line.
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excellent intro as always

LH's 2010 quali lap is where i became a big fan of his.

i was at the race that year and when he ran out of fuel on his cool down lap and jumped on top of his car and rode it while it slowly ran out of fuel was a lot of fun. the way the crowd erupted in applause is up there with my favorite F1 memories. amazing how the small things can change ones opinion.

a gif of it here.

looking forward to this weekends race but sadly i will be watching it from home this year.
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Nice one as usual BR. Many thanks.
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My first F1 race in 1995 was this race .

The screams of the V12's is something you never forget.
The spray of the rooster tails hitting the bottoms
of walk over bridges during a wet practice was
also a new experience. Alesi getting his only win
on his birthday and the fence going down and fans on the track
at the finish line as cars crossed. All off this on a camcorder
tape somewhere that I hope to get digitized someday.
But first , I will have to find it.


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Great intro B.R.

Let's hope we can add a classic to the list.
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Excellent intro and one of my favourite GPs on the calendar.

Can the Rosberg Juggernaut regain its momentum, or did it finally flounder, at a somewhat wet Monaco?
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Congrats to Lewis on getting Pole. Vettel is the Ferrari meat in the Mecedes, RBR sandwich.

I hope it's a good race tomorrow but I think Lewis might run away with this. He's done well here in the past, having won 4 times.
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For some reason, I always look forward to the Canadian Grand Prix. It's a pretty decent circuit - I suppose "the wall of champions" can punish drivers if they go too far! Hopefully, it will rain tomorrow to spice things up - and also, I hope we don't get a Mercedes Safety Car testing session.

Great intro BR. I suppose the 1979 race should also get mentioned, what with the battle between Villenenvue and Jones for most of the race - and there was only a 1 second gap at the end.
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I think Ericsson should get a bit more praise, he has outqualified Nasr again, 5th time in seven races, and by more than a second here aswell, Monaco brainfade aside he is doing a decent job this year, i have said it before, there is more to him than just a fat wallet in my opinion.
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I think Ericsson should get a bit more praise, he has outqualified Nasr again, 5th time in seven races, and by more than a second here aswell, Monaco brainfade aside he is doing a decent job this year, i have said it before, there is more to him than just a fat wallet in my opinion.
Both can be good but Nasr is very moody and difficult to manage, like a spoilt child. But when both are paying 20m + there isn't much the team can really do
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A cleanish start but what a jump Vettel got on both Mercs. Rosberg and Hamilton touched and Rosberg dropped down to 10th.
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Blimey, Rosberg blew that over take, it looked fairly straight forward.
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Congrats to Lewis. Well the Rosberg Juggernaut almost completely lost it on the last lap. At this rate, I can see Lewis winning the WDC again.

Great move by Vettel at the start but the VSC during that pitstop caught Ferrari out. I think they were expecting the VSC to last another lap.

Good to see Bottas and Williams back on the podium.
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Blimey, Rosberg blew that over take, it looked fairly straight forward.
I am not sure that Nico was ever going to make it work and I was impressed with Max in general. But to be fair... Max made two moves into the corner and that may have hurt Nico's attempt. Max moved left to right to defend the inside, Nico then went left after Max moved right, then Max moved back to the left and made the line that much harder for Nico.

Great drive for Lewis. He had a very "convenient" bump with Nico at the start.

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I am not sure that Nico was ever going to make it work and I was impressed with Max in general. But to be fair... Max made two moves into the corner and that may have hurt Nico's attempt. Max moved left to right to defend the inside, Nico then went left after Max moved right, then Max moved back to the left and made the line that much harder for Nico.

Great drive for Lewis. He had a very "convenient" bump with Nico at the start.

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I didn't think there was that much movement, hence my surprise.
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Ferrari's developments seem to be delivering.Not only did Vettel get that amazing start,Raikonnen had Riccciardo,Bottas and Rosberg behind him for several laps and unable to pass-even with their DRS deployed.
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I am not sure that Nico was ever going to make it work and I was impressed with Max in general.
I think Rosberg's brakes were a bit off too. He was pushing but having locking up issues, then fell back to cool them, I assume, and that charge at the end was on sketchy brakes.

Question, Bottas got fairly cold shoulders in that room after the race, did anyone else notice that? Is there some sort of unhappy blood between the top two and him?
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I think Rosberg's brakes were a bit off too. He was pushing but having locking up issues, then fell back to cool them, I assume, and that charge at the end was on sketchy brakes.

Question, Bottas got fairly cold shoulders in that room after the race, did anyone else notice that? Is there some sort of unhappy blood between the top two and him?
He dialed the bias backwards to stop the lockup, he went too far, locked the rears and spun. Pretty classic bias problem.
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I agree on the rear bias, but think that was somewhat brought on with the fronts being grabby.
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I agree on the rear bias, but think that was somewhat brought on with the fronts being grabby.
Yep.. or they were worn too far and he needed increased break pressure and it was too much.
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A few days ago there was a feature on Autosport.com where they asked "Why is Hamilton such a divisive figure?".

Well, does that surprise anyone when you make moves like that on your teammate?
In Barcelona, in Montreal, ... ?


I happened to watch the race on a German television station, and - while not completely unbiased either - they said about the start: typical Hamilton, and he only seems to do that on his teammate too.
You saw that coming from they way he positioned his car on the grid.

Well, that's their opinion, I have to agree that I do not like his manoeuvres on Rosberg either.
I have to assume that Mercedes won't be pleased either. I suppose they are unbiassed towards their drivers, but one putting the other off should just not be accepted.


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I wasn't.
He disobeyed team order again (at least that's what they said on German TV - he was ordered to let Ricciardo past somewhere in the beginning), and then made 2 moves while defending.

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Max made two moves into the corner and that may have hurt Nico's attempt. Max moved left to right to defend the inside, Nico then went left after Max moved right, then Max moved back to the left and made the line that much harder for Nico.
Is that even allowed?

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I noticed that too.
It seemed odd, and I can't remember anything that happened between Bottas and either Hamilton or Vettel.
No idea...

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Verstappen was not ordered to let Ricciardo by. They said not to hold him up. After they said that he drove same times as Ricciardo.

And IMO with his defending was nothing wrong. That's racing.

The start of race was good with Vettel and the Ham-Ros contact but then it it became less entertaining, although maybe that was also caused by a bad job from the TV director.

Great result for Bottas. For a long time I thought he would have to pit. This time the Williams strategy worked. Sainz also a good race.
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