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Old 4 Nov 2019, 20:26 (Ref:3938616)   #876
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I think Chilton would like his sponsorship to appear on the car and preferably in the team name.
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Clearly Jackson paid little of nothing otherwise he would have taken his bag of gold somewhere else
He tried to take his relatively small bag of gold somewhere else, that's when the problems started.
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Old 4 Nov 2019, 20:34 (Ref:3938619)   #878
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I think Chilton would like his sponsorship to appear on the car and preferably in the team name.
I think that would not be problem for BTC Racing.

BTC Gallagher Racing?......
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Old 4 Nov 2019, 20:47 (Ref:3938623)   #879
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speaking of btc, i heard smiley was at the porsche cup taster day last week, wonder if there's anything going on there? possible expansion?
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Old 4 Nov 2019, 21:47 (Ref:3938631)   #880
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Norlin only became BTC when Norlin pulled out, can't see Bert and Steve being too bothered about renaming if it brings in some funds
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Old 4 Nov 2019, 22:07 (Ref:3938634)   #881
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Possibly but it seems like smiley is part of the furniture there and I'm guessing they'll want to keep cook as well
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Possibly but it seems like smiley is part of the furniture there and I'm guessing they'll want to keep cook as well
As long as Bert has an involvement with BTC Smiley won't be going anywhere
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Old 5 Nov 2019, 10:12 (Ref:3938686)   #883
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Who's Norlin? They weren't in the BTCC in 2019.


I think that would not be problem for BTC Racing.

BTC Gallagher Racing?......
Sorry what a huge mistake on my part
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Old 5 Nov 2019, 10:20 (Ref:3938688)   #884
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Chilton family aren't afraid of buying/investing in teams to give Tom a home.

Theres at least 3 outfits of varying size on the grid in '19 I can think of looking for investment or a suitable buyer.
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Old 5 Nov 2019, 10:22 (Ref:3938689)   #885
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speaking of btc, i heard smiley was at the porsche cup taster day last week, wonder if there's anything going on there? possible expansion?
So was Tim Harvey, but he won't be racing in it either.
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Old 5 Nov 2019, 10:42 (Ref:3938692)   #886
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Chilton family aren't afraid of buying/investing in teams to give Tom a home.

Theres at least 3 outfits of varying size on the grid in '19 I can think of looking for investment or a suitable buyer.
What is interesting, when you look at the funding of Tom's career, is that the Chilton family have not put a significnat amount of their own money into it.
The AON-backed era came after Grahame had already sold his stake in the firm. The same is true of the current Gallagher backing.

Whilst it is true that Tom can bring a substantial fund to support his drives, it does not come from the Chilton family. Incidentally, aside from AON and Gallagher - what other examples are there of the Chilton family buying/investing in a team?

I wonder if this is a case of - because someone comes from a wealthy family, it is assumed that the family are funding the motorsport?
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Old 5 Nov 2019, 11:01 (Ref:3938696)   #887
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I think you’re being rather naive there.

The sponsor money is effectively family money, it’s just how best to take it re: tax etc...

They also own Carlin, having bought it a decade ago in a pre-pack administration when Trev and Stoney went bust.
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Old 5 Nov 2019, 11:21 (Ref:3938698)   #888
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I think you’re being rather naive there.

The sponsor money is effectively family money, it’s just how best to take it re: tax etc...

They also own Carlin, having bought it a decade ago in a pre-pack administration when Trev and Stoney went bust.
Presumably to give Max a home?
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Old 5 Nov 2019, 11:25 (Ref:3938699)   #889
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If Smiley had pulled over and let Cook past for a 3rd place (was it Thruxton?) Cook would be Indi Champion now....
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Old 5 Nov 2019, 11:54 (Ref:3938703)   #890
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Incidentally, aside from AON and Gallagher - what other examples are there of the Chilton family buying/investing in a team?
arena was a family owned team and ran both max and tom. max in f3, tom in btcc, then both had a go in lmp1.
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arena was a family owned team and ran both max and tom. max in f3, tom in btcc, then both had a go in lmp1.
It wasn't owned by the Chilton's though. At least not on paper. At the time of it's liquidation, team boss Mike Earle was the sole shareholder. The company was dissolved in late 2014, owning well over £1m to creditors.
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And Earle then tried to revive an old team of his, Onyx in the WTCC, but nothing came of it
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any doubt that Turks isn't returning with WSR ?
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confirms nothing about 2020.






*although it's still highly likely he'll be back with WSR next season*
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Who's Norlin? They weren't in the BTCC in 2019.


I think that would not be problem for BTC Racing.

BTC Gallagher Racing?......
One of this year's BTCC drivers approached BTC Racing about a seat for next year and was told that if he could afford the cost of the drive. None of his sponsorship would appear on the car.
I can't see them allowing another name on the team name if they aren't prepared to have the sponsorship on the car.
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One of this year's BTCC drivers approached BTC Racing about a seat for next year and was told that if he could afford the cost of the drive. None of his sponsorship would appear on the car.
I can't see them allowing another name on the team name if they aren't prepared to have the sponsorship on the car.
Was there anything specific about the sponsor that BTC objected to?

They already have sponsors on the car, and the team has ran with title sponsors in the past.

Their own publicity for potential sponsors reads:

'Total car brand advertising or chosen B2B supply partners making a JV
Partial space, high profile choices to suit the budget
Single team car or both car exposure'
This is the branding space they currently offer:


https://btcracing.co.uk/become-a-partner/
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Maybe this is me just being really naive... but why would a driver pay a team hundreds of thousands of pounds to not be able to promote his sponsors?
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Maybe not in this case but usually because it’s his Dad’s money.

Plenty of full-liveried cars in motorsport where driver stills pay full budget, just like Duckhams Van Diemen back in the day.
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