Bring Back The Supertourers !!!

f2001 · 30 Sep 2001, 09:57 (Ref:153589)

Ever since 2000 the BTCC hasn't been the same.....when they introduced class B it screwed it up and when there was only three major players (Ford, Honda and Vauxhall) The 99 season was exceptional, with the Nissans going head to head. But at the begining of 2000 season I was puzzled that there was three manufactures missing !

But my point is bring back Volvo and Rydell and Aiello and Nissan !

Hi I'm new btw

**touringlegend** · 30 Sep 2001, 10:09 (Ref:153595)

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Originally posted by f2001
Hi I'm new btw

I can tell...

Welcome to 10-tenths anyway

f2001 · 30 Sep 2001, 10:36 (Ref:153612)

tnx for the welcome

redshoes · 30 Sep 2001, 10:39 (Ref:153613)

Welcome F2001

I think you are missing the point about Class B, it wasn't it's introduction that caused there to only be 3 works teams, it was introduced BECAUSE there was only 3 teams.

f2001 · 30 Sep 2001, 11:19 (Ref:153628)

yeh but since 98 major manufactures were dropping out of a good championship, why ?

RevCrazy · 30 Sep 2001, 11:31 (Ref:153635)

I agree, the new rules suck.

***Chris Y*** · 30 Sep 2001, 11:34 (Ref:153639)

Again, you're getting cause and effect mixed up..

The new rules were introduced this year because of the departure of the teams - the new rules are supposed to win them back!

Basically, a lot of teams were getting tired of Super Touring and the ever rising costs.

redshoes · 30 Sep 2001, 11:54 (Ref:153645)

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Originally posted by f2001
yeh but since 98 major manufactures were dropping out of a good championship, why ?

Depends on why they were there in the first place. Manufactorers go racing to promote an image or a model but there reaches a point where there is very little to be gained or their priorities change.

Peugeot - never successful and the cost of racing outweighed the amount of positive publicity they were getting.
Audi - traditionally only in motorsports to promote their quattro 4wd system, once that was banned there was little to be gained.
Volvo - now owned by Ford and they wouldn't pay for both Volvo and Ford to compete against each other.
Nissan - proved they could win and lost some of the Primera's 'mini-cab' image, job done.
BMW - always got into the weight penalty aguement of FWD vs RWD (see Audi) and did they realy want to be seen comparing a 3-series with a Vectra.
Renault - transision between old and new Laguna meant no car to race, plus changed priorities
Alfa - been there, done that, brought the T-shirt. Plus Alfa UK's market share is tiny, they would probably spend more on racing than they made selling cars.

f2001 · 30 Sep 2001, 12:03 (Ref:153647)

oh well once what was a brillaint championship is over (PS in the STCC Ford and Volvo race each other

)

redshoes · 30 Sep 2001, 12:10 (Ref:153651)

The STCC cars aren't paid for by the manufactorers though.

JMeissner · 30 Sep 2001, 12:57 (Ref:153666)

The Ford in STCC raced only a few (two or three) races and was entered privately, no factory support at all.

The Volvos on the other hand, Redshoes, is payed by Volvo. The Volvo team had the largest budget of all the STCC teams, 14 milion swedish kronor (1 UK £ = around 13 swedish kronor). 10 milion came straight from Volvo and the rest from Flash Engineering.

**touringlegend** · 30 Sep 2001, 13:18 (Ref:153672)

Obviously not enough to win them the championship then

f2001 · 30 Sep 2001, 13:51 (Ref:153697)

yeh rosenblad still kicks there arses

JMeissner · 30 Sep 2001, 14:10 (Ref:153709)

Uhm, Rosenblad finished behind both of the Volvo's in the STCC Championship

f2001 · 30 Sep 2001, 14:59 (Ref:153736)

havnt been keeping up with 2001 season, but 2000 he kicked there asses just like that !

kmchow · 1 Oct 2001, 00:42 (Ref:154057)

JMeissner wrote:

>The Volvos on the other hand, Redshoes, is payed by Volvo. The Volvo >team had the largest budget of all the STCC teams, 14 milion swedish >kronor (1 UK £ = around 13 swedish kronor). 10 milion came straight >from Volvo and the rest from Flash Engineering.
>
Wow, only 1.5M US to "buy", errr, win a championship!! That's a bargain compared to the other championships. Honda should try to take the STCC championship as well!!

Radisichrox · 1 Oct 2001, 01:33 (Ref:154065)

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Originally posted by f2001
Ever since 2000 the BTCC hasn't been the same.....when they introduced class B it screwed it up and when there was only three major players (Ford, Honda and Vauxhall) The 99 season was exceptional, with the Nissans going head to head. But at the begining of 2000 season I was puzzled that there was three manufactures missing !

But my point is bring back Volvo and Rydell and Aiello and Nissan !

Hi I'm new btw

99 was a weak season, other than the fact that Matt Neal won a race, was there any other competition to the Nissans??? No...

If you read on you will find out that it was becoming too expensive for Super Touring to continue, and that's why those 3 manufactures were missing in 2000. Besides, in 2000, it gave all of the works drivers a chance to compete, wheras in the past you had to be awesome to be able to compete with the best.

First of all Laurant Aiello is a boring driver, no personality, a lot like Rydell, no personality on or off the track. However, both of them are insanely quick on a clear track.

Paul Rayner · 1 Oct 2001, 11:55 (Ref:154209)

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Originally posted by Radisichrox
99 was a weak season, other than the fact that Matt Neal won a race, was there any other competition to the Nissans??? No...

What was Matt Neal driving again?

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Originally posted by Radisichrox
Besides, in 2000, it gave all of the works drivers a chance to compete, wheras in the past you had to be awesome to be able to compete with the best.

It was just every Ford driver that had a chance really. Sure, each manufacturer won, but one week Ford would have ballast and Vauxhall would stand a chance. The next meeting Vauxhall would have ballast, and Ford would kick their arses.

I definitely prefer 2001 to 2000, I just hope that 2002 is better than 1999. For me it's the domination that they've got to stop.
I've said it before:
ANYTHING BUT A VAUXHALL TO WIN AT BRANDS! PLEASE!!!!!

Guy Goddard · 1 Oct 2001, 23:03 (Ref:154594)

We certainly need more manufacturers in the BTCC and also well known drivers, Menu,Rydell,Neal to name a few. My contacts tell me that the BBC are to pull the plug on covering the series and to be fair im not suprised as its been like watching paint dry this year....

Seeing a Vauhall win every time is not what the fans want, hopefully MG is going to kick their buts next year.

touringcarnut · 4 Oct 2001, 12:56 (Ref:155774)

the seris was just too expensive in the late 1990s and it showed in 2000 when there were only 3 manufacturers. The seris is different now, and needs some time to develop, we've got 5 manufacturers of cars in this season now (yeah, i know that 2 are private teams). next season will see this number grow e.g. Proton, and this years cars could all be used to race in the next season.

Dan Friel · 5 Oct 2001, 11:34 (Ref:156200)

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Ever since 2000 the BTCC hasn't been the same

More like ever since 1995.... get rid of wings.

And more like BTCC has ruined the NSC, which far surpassed anything the BTCC has been since 1995.

Radisichrox · 5 Oct 2001, 19:08 (Ref:156407)

I agree with Dan. Although I know very little about the NSC, it is clear to me that racing was clearly better without wings and spoilers. If you want close racing, along with overtaking, get rid of wings! However, even BTCC with wings is more exciting than Formula 1 nowaday!

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