[Team] Mercedes: Will they ever dominate again?

[crmalcolm]

Stories are reporting that the 2022 cars will be Silver....

[chunterer]

Just when i started to think they look better in black!

[S griffin]

They’ve had Silver, White and Black liveries the past 3 years

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by S griffin

They’ve had Silver, White and Black liveries the past 3 years

The cars have been black the last 2 season Griff.

[Skam85]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59951382

It sounds like Lewis has pulled the "It's Masi or me" move.

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by Skam85

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59951382

It sounds like Lewis has pulled the "It's Masi or me" move.

I doubt it. He's simply taking his time, waiting to see how the FIA reacts, He will have thought about what he wants, expects, and what is realistic but this wont go away, even if he does continue, until a proper respectful resolution is reached, whatever shape that may take.

[Alan52]

Originally Posted by Skam85

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59951382

It sounds like Lewis has pulled the "It's Masi or me" move.

Perhaps Lewis could soundtrack his retirement announcement with I Fought The Law And The Law Won.That article is so jingoistic it could only be written by an Englishman who confuses patriotism with facts (or maybe Toto).

[Skam85]

Originally Posted by Alan52

Perhaps Lewis could soundtrack his retirement announcement with I Fought The Law And The Law Won.That article is so jingoistic it could only be written by an Englishman who confuses patriotism with facts (or maybe Toto).

Yeah, it was a hugely bias article, especially with lines like this

"Hamilton lost the championship to Red Bull's Max Verstappen after FIA race director Michael Masi did not apply the rules correctly in a late safety-car period."

...forgetting conveniently the championship was settled over the course of 22 races...

"Masi then failed to apply the rules correctly in two different ways.

Normal protocol is to allow either all the lapped cars dotted through the field to un-lap themselves so they do not interfere with racing on the restart, or leave all in place.

But Masi allowed only some of the lapped cars in between the leaders to un-lap themselves - sending the five cars between Hamilton and Verstappen through so they were not in the way, but leaving all the others in place, including the two cars between Verstappen and third-placed Carlos Sainz's Ferrari.

In addition, Masi ignored a rule that dictates that the race restarts at the end of the following lap after the lapped cars have been removed, and restarted it a lap early."


...forgetting even more conveniently that there is a provision for the RD to override said rules...


But this kind of stuff is to be expected from Andrew Benson I guess.

[crmalcolm]

At the risk of continuing the descent of this thread into another interrogation of the Lewis - Lewis / Max 'location checks out' vein:

Originally Posted by Skam85

"Hamilton lost the championship to Red Bull's Max Verstappen after FIA race director Michael Masi did not apply the rules correctly in a late safety-car period."

...forgetting conveniently the championship was settled over the course of 22 races...

dutchnews.nl:
'Max Verstappen is the Formula One world champion after passing Lewis Hamilton on the final lap of a dramatic last Grand Prix race in Abu Dhabi.'

forgetting conveniently that Max Verstappen became F1 World Champion after scoring more points then Lewis Hamilton over a 22-race season.

Originally Posted by Skam85

"Masi then failed to apply the rules correctly in two different ways.

Normal protocol is to allow either all the lapped cars dotted through the field to un-lap themselves so they do not interfere with racing on the restart, or leave all in place.

But Masi allowed only some of the lapped cars in between the leaders to un-lap themselves - sending the five cars between Hamilton and Verstappen through so they were not in the way, but leaving all the others in place, including the two cars between Verstappen and third-placed Carlos Sainz's Ferrari.

In addition, Masi ignored a rule that dictates that the race restarts at the end of the following lap after the lapped cars have been removed, and restarted it a lap early."


...forgetting even more conveniently that there is a provision for the RD to override said rules...

netherlandsnewslive.com:
'This is a big moment for the Netherlands, but it’s not without controversy. '

forgetting conveniently to mention that there is no controversy if the RD has acted within their authority.

Originally Posted by Skam85

But this kind of stuff is to be expected from Andrew Benson I guess.

But this kind of stuff is to be expected from Dutch media I guess - if you are expecting it in the first place and your interpretation is biased to look for bias.

Confirmation bias - something that is a regular occurrence in the forum.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Teretonga

I doubt it. He's simply taking his time, waiting to see how the FIA reacts, He will have thought about what he wants, expects, and what is realistic but this wont go away, even if he does continue, until a proper respectful resolution is reached, whatever shape that may take.

Max is WDC, the result of the race is official. What proper respectful resolution does Lewis expect, a guarantee from the FIA that this won't happen again?

[Adam43]

Not sure he’s demanding anything. He’s a bit miffed and that means he’s not enjoying it then he may question whether he wants to do it.

From his perspective he and his team fought hard to get back into the hunt and we’re going to grab the championship until right at the end. Man that’s hard. I guarantee that everyone else in this thread would feel a little miffed.

Maybe biased people are reading what they want into it, probably because they are from the wrong country. This is the kind of thing you have to say now. Is that right? I’ll get the hang of this internet thing soon.

As for all the other stuff. Crikey, we’ve got so far up our own whatsits here haven’t we? We don’t discuss the sport anymore just why something else shouldn’t have been written.

Seems like 2022 season will be like 2021 again and no car has turned a wheel. I’m miffed too and my interest is at an all time low.

[Adam43]

I see there is an actual thread on this.

Head there: https://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=156828

[bjohnsonsmith]

According to this Sky article, the FIA wants to conclude its inquiry into the events of Abu Dhabi by February 3 at the latest.


https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12514337/fia-inquiry-into-abu-dhabi-gp-and-f1s-2021s-controversial-title-finale-underway-ahead-of-2022-season?fbclid=IwAR1mW5xhSALW47yuNNSOYVC-QlWEliFSH8d3klXCT834XsHgZ31UaT3w5pI

[Adam43]

Is Simon Case or Sue Gray conducting the inquiry?

(Niche location specific reference)

[Skam85]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Max is WDC, the result of the race is official. What proper respectful resolution does Lewis expect, a guarantee from the FIA that this won't happen again?

Maybe Sir Lewis believes he is bigger than the sport itself and he wants someone's source of income and livelihood impacted because of a perceived mistake....

[Skam85]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

dutchnews.nl:
'Max Verstappen is the Formula One world champion after passing Lewis Hamilton on the final lap of a dramatic last Grand Prix race in Abu Dhabi.'

forgetting conveniently that Max Verstappen became F1 World Champion after scoring more points then Lewis Hamilton over a 22-race season.

That statement is patently correct though. It isn't up for any interpretation.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Skam85

That statement is patently correct though. It isn't up for any interpretation.

Agreed - in the same way that:

Originally Posted by Skam85

"Hamilton lost the championship to Red Bull's Max Verstappen after FIA race director Michael Masi did not apply the rules correctly in a late safety-car period."

...forgetting conveniently the championship was settled over the course of 22 races...

is also patently correct.

Yet somehow it's bias when UK-based media forget that the championship is 22 races long, but not when the Dutch-based media do the same?

[Skam85]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Agreed - in the same way that:

is also patently correct.

Yet somehow it's bias when UK-based media forget that the championship is 22 races long, but not when the Dutch-based media do the same?

But it isn't correct at all. It's opinion at best and incorrect at worst.

Article 15.3 states clearly that Masi had overriding authority about the SC procedure.

[Greem]

Oh, please. Pack it in. EVERY THREAD DOES NOT HAVE TO BE ABOUT THIS.

[Skam85]

It's in the latest news in the past 24hrs, and it's about Mercedes. This thread is about Mercedes.

Sorry for not pandering to your tastes?

[Adam43]

But fortunately we have a dedicate thread about this news.

https://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=156828

Take it there. We don’t need duplication, so it might as well be there.

[bjohnsonsmith]

According to this article from Sky Sports, Mercedes say both drivers will attend the digital launch and unveiling of the W13, on February 18 at Silverstone.


https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...PIazbpI8zGDkbE

[Skam85]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

According to this article from Sky Sports, Mercedes say both drivers will attend the digital launch and unveiling of the W13, on February 18 at Silverstone.


https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...PIazbpI8zGDkbE

Both drivers.. but they didn't say who those two will be

[E.B]

Originally Posted by Skam85

Both drivers.. but they didn't say who those two will be

George and Lewis are the two names on the official season entry list....

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Skam85

Both drivers.. but they didn't say who those two will be

The article does say: ''both drivers will attend digital launch at Silverstone; Lewis Hamilton, whose future is still unclear, joined by George Russell in 2022''