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Old 13 Jan 2021, 08:10 (Ref:4028585)   #2566
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We used to use removable engine and chassis numbers back in the day, as did pretty much all teams - just a simple plate attached with araldite or rivets. That is how F1 teams would regularly build 9 or more cars per year but only have 4-5 chassis listed on carnets.

How the history buffs then trace the real history of what chassis was used by driver X at the Biddleonian Grand Prix in '72 has always eluded me, although most teams have their own records.

Feel for you guys over there trying to work it all out - it's a big change after so many years of not having Carnets etc. One word of advice if I may: if you are able to come and go with a vehicle that is exempt, it is worth carrying the basis for the exemption (Eu law for example) with you in multiple languages - avoids significant problems at odd border crossings if you can back up what you're doing with a reference to relevant laws or statutes etc.
Exactly!

It has often amazed me how much reliance people put on the history of cars/engines for that very reason.

Similarly, people get very excited when two cars with an interesting history emerge bearing the same chassis number. It is not impossible that both can be correct.
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Old 13 Jan 2021, 09:16 (Ref:4028593)   #2567
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I would just say that yes the FIA is investigating.

The fact is that this has and will have an impact on the sport and the fault is to put on the Brexit. EU and all major countries such as Switzerland and even all the way to Turkey have built and have had agreements for circulations of goods for years, it did not happen overnight. So clarification and answer cannot either be expected overnight either as it's not as straightforward as one may think.

Commercial, non-commercial, registered, non-registered, there are various aspects linked to customs but not only. The other aspect is that glimpse and bits of information spread over huge number of posts will not answer the questions. Wait and information will be clarified.
Thanks again Louis, I suspect you will receive encouragement from many sources including Redwater and Peter Auto, Masters and possibly MRL to name a few.

It does appear that the MSUK arrangement has followed a business rather than an "amateur" approach which is strange since I suspect their biggest audience would be us amateurs.
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It probably won't stop the virus but nobody would care.
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Old 13 Jan 2021, 09:36 (Ref:4028635)   #2568
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[Mod]I've copied the relevant post about Carnets to a new thread. Feel free to post any info or updates in that threa.[/Mod]

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In the current circumstances, we need to do all we can to help local businesses. With this in mind I suggest we all schedule our visits to the pub so we can keep the 2m social distancing and whilst there get completely slamied for two hours before handing over to the next shift.

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Old 13 Jan 2021, 11:47 (Ref:4028677)   #2569
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Old 13 Jan 2021, 12:50 (Ref:4028694)   #2570
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The EU's Cross-Border Enforcement Directive no longer applies, French officials have said, so British-registered vehicles will no longer be sent fines for offences detected by roadside cameras.
Similarly, motorists with vehicles registered in the EU caught speeding in Britain will not be sent fines.


Mind you I have been stopped and fined beside the road in France and Spain, if you can't or wont pay they will confiscate your vehicle. A friend of mine got pulled over in Bulgaria after crossing a double white line when slowly driving past a broken down lorry on a hill. The cops were sitting watching for any "foreign" plated vehicles and stopping and fining them on the spot but funnily enough they seemed to let locals drive away ! I think the cops shared out the takings because they refused to give any receipts out !!!!
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Old 13 Jan 2021, 15:35 (Ref:4028745)   #2571
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The EU's Cross-Border Enforcement Directive no longer applies, French officials have said, so British-registered vehicles will no longer be sent fines for offences detected by roadside cameras.
Similarly, motorists with vehicles registered in the EU caught speeding in Britain will not be sent fines.


Mind you I have been stopped and fined beside the road in France and Spain, if you can't or wont pay they will confiscate your vehicle. A friend of mine got pulled over in Bulgaria after crossing a double white line when slowly driving past a broken down lorry on a hill. The cops were sitting watching for any "foreign" plated vehicles and stopping and fining them on the spot but funnily enough they seemed to let locals drive away ! I think the cops shared out the takings because they refused to give any receipts out !!!!
I have seen claims that the French had targeted UK drivers for speeding fines . And the total figures were something like £50 millions . Sounds a bit far fetched , but it might mean they will need to make up the loss of income by chasing GERARD for more money ??
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Old 13 Jan 2021, 16:11 (Ref:4028754)   #2572
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I have seen claims that the French had targeted UK drivers for speeding fines . And the total figures were something like £50 millions . Sounds a bit far fetched , but it might mean they will need to make up the loss of income by chasing GERARD for more money ??
I got stopped in France towing my ski boat down to Spain, OK I was doing over 90mph on one of those single carriageway roads that are straight for about 10 miles ! however the cops locked me into the back of their van and would not let me go until I gave them the money. I tried joking with them in my best Spanish but that made things worse
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Old 13 Jan 2021, 17:37 (Ref:4028773)   #2573
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Sounds a bit far fetched , but it might mean they will need to make up the loss of income by chasing GERARD for more money ??
What?

After so many years, we know that French are targeted by belgian Police. Those people must have the calendar of Spa events sticked on the dashboard…*And they dont like us at all! If you pretend having no cash, they offer you a free travel to next bank.
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Old 16 Jan 2021, 12:28 (Ref:4029417)   #2574
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When road use monitoring and pay-by-distance-travelled becomes the normal way of life for travellers speeding infringement fines will either be monetized as part of the subscription contract or eliminated by automated vehicle controls.

Either way travellers are likely to be used as a cash cow with little or no chance of avoiding payment.

On the plus side that might also mean that all forms of transport can be tracked and billed so hover boards, electric scooters, bicycles, etc. all have to pay for the "right to travel".
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Old 16 Jan 2021, 14:53 (Ref:4029446)   #2575
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Either way travellers are likely to be used as a cash cow with little or no chance of avoiding payment.
I think next step of technology will be the police forces to have free access to our bank account…
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I think next step of technology will be the police forces to have free access to our bank account…

Sorry to disappoint you, Gerard, but they already do. Well, certainly in the UK and Spain they do.
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Ha yes? Et dire qu'on appelle ça le progrès…Liberté, que de crimes on commet en ton nom… C'est à y perdre la tête!
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To be fair Gerard, the biggest fear we in the UK have of the police accessing our bank account is that Plod would manage to delete it.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/137610...ecords-police/

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Old 16 Jan 2021, 18:01 (Ref:4029478)   #2579
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To be fair Gerard, the biggest fear we in the UK have of the police accessing our bank account is that Plod would manage to delete it.
Et on nomme ça le progrès!!! Back to a dark version of Robin Hood I fear…
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