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Old 9 Dec 2020, 16:25 (Ref:4021771)   #16
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Haas have a reputation for attracting some, how shall I put it, controversial characters. They’ve been sponsored by a drink’s company run by an ego driven narcissist and the less said about a certain Mr Ferruci the better. Mazepin seems to be another one judging by actions in the past and just now

Grosjean, Magnussen, Steiner and Guitierrez all have had their moments, but the three mentioned above are just something else!
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Old 9 Dec 2020, 16:53 (Ref:4021776)   #17
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I can understand that up to a point - but how will Haas know if the car is better? The drivers have no experience of F1, throwing 2 rookies into an underdeveloped car and hoping they can point out where it's not working is asking a lot. I can see Haas propping up the results next season - I assume next year is a write off for Haas and they're gunning for 2022.
That is a good question. But I suspect Haas is seeing issues that are so glaring that they don't need driver feedback to expose. I don't know if it is still a problem, but Haas was calling out some issues with their rear suspension changing as the race progressed (heat dependent?). I expect their data shows that. Drivers will feel that as a car that just changes it's characteristics during the race.

At some point, yes you are right. They will be limited by the quality of feedback or skill/experience of their drivers. I assume they will know when that happens. Lets see how long they sign their drivers for. Are they 1 year or longer contracts.

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Old 9 Dec 2020, 17:04 (Ref:4021779)   #18
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or its the Williams model...use someone else's money to clear out liabilities and build up assets before selling the team on.
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Old 9 Dec 2020, 17:07 (Ref:4021780)   #19
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The F1 "We Race as One" thing is going to be tested to the maximum in 2021. We've got a race in a country where women are being prosecuted as terrorists for driving, and we've got this prize wee pr*ck groping women. Whilst the "We Race as One" slogan has largely been used regarding race, it has been used for gender, sexuality and many other points.
A minor correction, women are permitted to drive in Saudi these days.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/24/w...niversary.html It's the rest of the freedoms they don't enjoy that should be of more concern.
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A minor correction, women are permitted to drive in Saudi these days.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/24/w...niversary.html It's the rest of the freedoms they don't enjoy that should be of more concern.
You are correct - thank you for that. They are still prosecuting women who campaigned for the right to drive as domestic terrorists. This has the potential to end in a death penalty.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...errorism-court

I look forward to rainbows on Safety Cars to tell us that this is ok.
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Haas have a reputation for attracting some, how shall I put it, controversial characters. They’ve been sponsored by a drink’s company run by an ego driven narcissist and the less said about a certain Mr Ferruci the better. Mazepin seems to be another one judging by actions in the past and just now

Grosjean, Magnussen, Steiner and Guitierrez all have had their moments, but the three mentioned above are just something else!
See, this I don't get. Ferrucci was for sure a hothead entitled prick, (he's matured quite a bit in indycar it seems) but he was banished from f1 contention over on track stuff and insults.

This mazepin guy is a hotheaded entitled prick, hasn't matured, as this just happened, and instead of words, hes actually causing physical harm to other drivers and worse, sexually harming women. Yet, he remains....

Are words worse than actions?

Of the 2, I'd take ferrucci by longshot.

In that article he said as an f1 driver he needs to be better. Proof he hasn't learned, because he should have said as a human being he needs to be better. Like it's okay to grope women without consent if you're not an f1 driver?
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You are correct - thank you for that. They are still prosecuting women who campaigned for the right to drive as domestic terrorists. This has the potential to end in a death penalty.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...errorism-court

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Well if you're going to use the Guardian as your support im not surprised. That said yes, the regime is not very good at human rights.
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Well if you're going to use the Guardian as your support im not surprised. That said yes, the regime is not very good at human rights.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55069863
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/26/93934...=1607536359335
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...m-court-family
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/25/w...-hathloul.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/l...-case-n1249094

There is a variety of sources. Pick whichever one you find the least disagreeable. They're all basically saying the same thing - women who wants rights for women are terrorists. It's difficult for F1 to spin that one any other way.

When F1 was not involving itself with politics, it was easy to argue F1 should ignore this stuff and concentrate purely on the sport. Now that it has embedded itself in politics and human rights, it becomes very difficult to justify these events - and the driver who is the title of this thread.
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Old 9 Dec 2020, 18:25 (Ref:4021797)   #24
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right!

the notion that a team is allowed to handle these things internally in 2020 is a odd to me.

N.American sports are different i guess, but anything that even remotely smells like assault, especially an allegation that has videos making the social media rounds, the league gets involved. and not just involved in the background, but very publicly involved and make sure they are seen to be the ones leading the investigation.

If the FIA does not get involved, it reflects very badly on Formula 1, especially with their "We Race As One" slogan. Inaction is seen as complicity.


A petition has been started asking them to remove Mazepin from Formula 1 (http://chng.it/SwpY7Vrvbq) but at the very least they should have spoken on the subject by now.
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Akropovic, You missed the syntax of the underlying metaphor once again. I'm agreeing with you.
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Oh I understood that (once again). That's why I thanked you for it. But if you cast doubt on a source then it's worth posting more sources of varied origin to cast that doubt aside.
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Oh I understood that (once again). That's why I thanked you for it. But if you cast doubt on a source then it's worth posting more sources of varied origin to cast that doubt aside.
I'd doubt anything the Guardian printed. And I don't read the Mail either.

I've also signed the petition.
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I take every paper with a pinch of salt. We may all have our preferred sources, but a range of sources have picked up on the country's views on women.

Having said that, Formula 1 has never been a series to discard a country due to its culture. Remember there was a South African Grand Prix in 1993.
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I take every paper with a pinch of salt. We may all have our preferred sources, but a range of sources have picked up on the country's views on women.

Having said that, Formula 1 has never been a series to discard a country due to its culture. Remember there was a South African Grand Prix in 1993.
The year the South African President and Nelson Mandela received the Nobel Peace Prize?

More concerning was a South African GP right up to and including 1985.

Formula One has certainly been tone deaf on more than one occasion.
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He's not really coming across as an upgrade from Grosjean or Magnussen is he?
He was never supposed to be, except financially.

And yeah, Marzipan, as commentators call him, is living the life that a lot of the instagram youths dream of. A spoiled brat. But hey, he'll be right at home when F1 gets the Grand Prix in the country where they cut journalists to pieces to bury in embassy garden. It's all part of the #WeArseAsOne media strategy!
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