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Old 9 Dec 2020, 20:56 (Ref:4021821)   #31
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The year the South African President and Nelson Mandela received the Nobel Peace Prize?

More concerning was a South African GP right up to and including 1985.

Formula One has certainly been tone deaf on more than one occasion.
True, although I was referring to the fact that Apartheid wasn't really over until 1994.

Re: Marzipan, I don't normally dislike any driver. Why should I? But I hope he incurs the full wrath of Gunther Steiner's potty mouth.
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Old 9 Dec 2020, 22:13 (Ref:4021832)   #32
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Well, we've just finished 2 races in Bahrain. Let's not forget this.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/m...cision/406203/

The words spoken by Webber still have not changed and neither has F1's response to Human Rights.

Now I'll probably get hammered for this but Lewis (And all the other drivers were totally silent on the Bahrain issue)

Now Lewis is the becon of light for F1 equality. I guess you get to choose which human rights abuses you stand against, haven't heard a bad word from him regarding the Saudi GP !?!!??!
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Old 9 Dec 2020, 22:26 (Ref:4021834)   #33
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Well, we've just finished 2 races in Bahrain. Let's not forget this.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/m...cision/406203/

The words spoken by Webber still have not changed and neither has F1's response to Human Rights.

Now I'll probably get hammered for this but Lewis (And all the other drivers were totally silent on the Bahrain issue)

Now Lewis is the becon of light for F1 equality. I guess you get to choose which human rights abuses you stand against, haven't heard a bad word from him regarding the Saudi GP !?!!??!
Ok well I'll take you up on the "hammering" thing for two reasons.

Firstly - it's interesting that Lewis is the only one ever mentioned by name. Those who take offense to his activism and taking the knee seem unable to even name the other drivers who take the knee with him at the start of each Grand Prix. Why is Lewis singled out in this regard? And lets not pretend he's the only vocal one - Vettel is doing custom helmets and auctioning them off and giving the funds to activist charities. He's running helmets with LGBTQ+ and Transgender flags on them, taking the knee and being vocal. Why are we not calling out Seb?

Secondly - your post is a classic case of "what about isms". Lewis stands against racial inequality so now we're saying "Why isn't he standing against [insert human rights/social/environmental issue here]!?!!??!"

So is that how what we do now? We don't stand against an injustice unless we can stand against them all? Does Lewis need to protest every time an oil company has an uncontrolled hydrocarbon release into a body of water? Because they get away with that on a daily basis and that's absolutely an injustice.

There isn't enough hours in the day to stand against every issue and be at the forefront of fighting every problem. All you can do is pick the issues that are most important to you, and give your backing to the ones you cannot put your full weight behind. And Lewis does exactly that with his charity work.

And lastly - Lewis is currently only vocal about one human rights issue, and yet every time he opens his mouth, social media is filled with insufferable cretins who aren't happy with him saying people should be equal. Should he actually follow the advice of these people and campaign against every injustice they list, these people would be even more unhappy than they currently are. They don't want Lewis to fight all these causes. They're just unhappy he's fighting for one cause, but it's kinda hard to admit that.

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As for Webbers comment - he's not wrong. But times have changed since then. Back then, F1 refused to deal with political issues. Hence the South African GP and all that. It had an excuse then. But not now.
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Old 9 Dec 2020, 22:39 (Ref:4021837)   #34
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Ok well I'll take you up on the "hammering" thing for two reasons.

Firstly - it's interesting that Lewis is the only one ever mentioned by name. Those who take offense to his activism and taking the knee seem unable to even name the other drivers who take the knee with him at the start of each Grand Prix. Why is Lewis singled out in this regard? And lets not pretend he's the only vocal one - Vettel is doing custom helmets and auctioning them off and giving the funds to activist charities. He's running helmets with LGBTQ+ and Transgender flags on them, taking the knee and being vocal. Why are we not calling out Seb?

Secondly - your post is a classic case of "what about isms". Lewis stands against racial inequality so now we're saying "Why isn't he standing against [insert human rights/social/environmental issue here]!?!!??!"

So is that how what we do now? We don't stand against an injustice unless we can stand against them all? Does Lewis need to protest every time an oil company has an uncontrolled hydrocarbon release into a body of water? Because they get away with that on a daily basis and that's absolutely an injustice.

There isn't enough hours in the day to stand against every issue and be at the forefront of fighting every problem. All you can do is pick the issues that are most important to you, and give your backing to the ones you cannot put your full weight behind. And Lewis does exactly that with his charity work.

And lastly - Lewis is currently only vocal about one human rights issue, and yet every time he opens his mouth, social media is filled with insufferable cretins who aren't happy with him saying people should be equal. Should he actually follow the advice of these people and campaign against every injustice they list, these people would be even more unhappy than they currently are. They don't want Lewis to fight all these causes. They're just unhappy he's fighting for one cause, but it's kinda hard to admit that.

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As for Webbers comment - he's not wrong. But times have changed since then. Back then, F1 refused to deal with political issues. Hence the South African GP and all that. It had an excuse then. But not now.
No, the hypocrisy is annoying, that's all. It's also a lot easier to "take a stand" for this cause at this point in time than it was those previous issues. Add to that the attention-seeking nature of hamilton in general, and of course he will be called out more than others.

Does vettel shoehorn his beliefs or political stances in every possible situation? No, for the most part he's quieter in his activism. What people to privately doesn't and shouldn't get talked about much if at all. Make yourself the center of attention, and it will be. Add to that, hamilton is the most famous and successful driver, always on the podium, always the center of attention on track every race, too, so fatigue sets in as well.

Your last line hints at something you've beaten around the bush to say many times, without actually saying it, which is really annoying and off base.
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Old 9 Dec 2020, 22:48 (Ref:4021838)   #35
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I don’t see why Hamilton has to stand up for every injustice in the world. He’s chosen one and it is closer to his heart. Fair enough.

Others chose none. So he is way ahead them.

Others chose none and find an excuse to not listen to someone who highlights an injustice by changing the topic to discredit them. Thus missing the point. Hamilton is way ahead of these people.
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Old 9 Dec 2020, 22:56 (Ref:4021841)   #36
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It isn’t hypocritical to stand up for one issue but not mention others. Otherwise every single person is a hypocrite if they’ve stood up for one thing and not another. I’ve joined campaigns for women’s rights but haven’t taken a knee yet. Am I a hypocrite? Of course not.

Vettel quieter on his activism. That’s amazing. He’s participated in every F1 protest, stood side by side with Lewis, taken the knee, given countless interviews on SkyTV about it, and despite not using social media much, has posted about it on Instagram, painted his helmets in designs to highlight it, and auctioned them off for charity. But yeah. He’s kinda quiet about it I suppose. Seems people are more sensitive to Lewis kneecaps than anyone else’s. Wonder why. BRB. Beating around some garden shrubbery.
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It isn’t hypocritical to stand up for one issue but not mention others. Otherwise every single person is a hypocrite if they’ve stood up for one thing and not another. I’ve joined campaigns for women’s rights but haven’t taken a knee yet. Am I a hypocrite? Of course not.

Vettel quieter on his activism. That’s amazing. He’s participated in every F1 protest, stood side by side with Lewis, taken the knee, given countless interviews on SkyTV about it, and despite not using social media much, has posted about it on Instagram, painted his helmets in designs to highlight it, and auctioned them off for charity. But yeah. He’s kinda quiet about it I suppose. Seems people are more sensitive to Lewis kneecaps than anyone else’s. Wonder why. BRB. Beating around some garden shrubbery.
I'll take your word for it that vettel is just as outspoken, even if I haven't heard a word about it other than a couple comments in passing about his helmet or posts on here, while I hear it straight from lewis or see it in what he wears when he knows he's in front of a camera, and see many more quotes of his. Again, I attribute a lot of this to his popularity and success. If vettel was the face of the sport, he'd be just as annoying if he was doing the same stuff.

But keep "wondering why". Just your version of "location checks out" to stick to people.

.....Which I guess I had coming since I have used that many times...

Edit: back to the topic, why does mazepin get a second chance or still get a chance for actually committing a despicable act, when ferrucci is still vilified mostly for words? (Their on track antics sound similar, so I'm figuring those as equally bad for both).
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Edit: back to the topic, why does mazepin get a second chance or still get a chance for actually committing a despicable act, when ferrucci is still vilified mostly for words? (Their on track antics sound similar, so I'm figuring those as equally bad for both).
I donít think Marzipan is that entitled or ignorant! And heís a much faster driver.
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Didn’t Ferrucci deliberately drive into another car and use a mobile phone in an official session on track?

Get rid of both of them, frankly.
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Didn’t Ferrucci deliberately drive into another car and use a mobile phone in an official session on track?

Get rid of both of them, frankly.

You want to ban Ferrucci from whatever series he is running in currently, for something he did three years ago in a series he will never compete in again? I can't comprehend this level of intellect...
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Man saying people should be treated equally is annoying. That might well be the point.

*realizes what the title of the thread is*

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It only took 2-3 pages before this thread is now about Lewis. Nikita, I hope you enjoyed your short time in the spotlight here on this forum!

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It only took 2-3 pages before this thread is now about Lewis. Nikita, I hope you enjoyed your short time in the spotlight here on this forum!

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To comment on the topic of the thread.

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It only took 2-3 pages before this thread is now about Lewis.
We call that a 'HAMmering'!
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You want to ban Ferrucci from whatever series he is running in currently, for something he did three years ago in a series he will never compete in again? I can't comprehend this level of intellect...
...I don’t think I said that at all lol. Apparently you’re correct. You can’t comprehend this level of intellect.
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