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Old 18 Dec 2020, 17:55 (Ref:4023738)   #16
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So Tennis open in Australia put back already. Must put Opening GP in Aus in doubt .....Australian Government insisting on 2 weeks quarantine- easy for a tennis player not so easy for an F1 Team....
To clarify, not the Australian Government - it is the Victorian Government that sets the health quarantine arrangements as both the Tennis and GP are in Melbourne (capital of Victoria). Given that the Vic Govt caused the massive (by Oz standards) 2nd wave of Covid by not running hotel quarantine for returned international travellers competently, it is going OTT on any similar measures and requirements just now.

There are also public support implications, with many complaining that if Australian citizens are not able to come home as quickly as they'd like (there are numbers caps on how many can enter the country each week) then no international sports people should be given priority over Oz citizens.

Then there's the volunteer officials - it was announced a couple of weeks ago that all those working in pit lane and paddock area would have to be in quarantine for three weeks (1 week before the event, 2 weeks after) and there are (less clear) requirements for other officials too apparently. Those that I know have said that they simply can't take that amount of time off work.

So - unlikely, yeah that's the way it looks now - particularly as the country has border restrictions between the states again as a result of a small cluster in Sydney (28 cases as I write) and those border closures were announced and put in place on the same day. That means that any planning can be thrown into disarray with virtually no notice and as many officials at the Grand Prix come from interstate, that adds further risk to the event.

Unless some kind of bubble exemption is put in place for the event (political suicide possibly for the Vic Govt) then it's hard to see it happening from where we stand today.

Apologies for the long post.
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Old 18 Dec 2020, 19:13 (Ref:4023760)   #17
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2021 for me is all about the teammate battles!

Leclerc V Sainz
Norris V Danny
Max V Perez
Vettel V Stroll
Schumacher V Mazepin
Alonso V Ocon
Gasly V Tsunoda

This is make or break time for a lot of careers

Add into this Russell chomping at the bit for Valterris seat....I’m not sure I can remember a season where it’s been so important to beat your teammate!
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Old 18 Dec 2020, 19:33 (Ref:4023766)   #18
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Well, apart from Alonso, Mazepin and Max, I like all the others so it'll be difficult to watch. But yes, many good team mate competitions to watch in 2021.
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Old 19 Dec 2020, 01:11 (Ref:4023807)   #19
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Yes indeed, but I took the proposal to run in SA to be on the basis that another year of covid would necessitate "emergency" measures. If all is normal of course I'd expect the business model to revert and places like SA etc. won't get a look in.
On that basis it would be a wonderful venue, they will break 100 000 spectators without a problem.
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Old 19 Dec 2020, 06:59 (Ref:4023829)   #20
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On that basis it would be a wonderful venue, they will break 100 000 spectators without a problem.
I don't doubt it but they'd still have to pay to hold it. This year, I understand Imola, Portugal and Mugello, were subsidised by Liberty M.
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Old 19 Dec 2020, 08:37 (Ref:4023845)   #21
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To clarify, not the Australian Government - it is the Victorian Government that sets the health quarantine arrangements as both the Tennis and GP are in Melbourne (capital of Victoria). Given that the Vic Govt caused the massive (by Oz standards) 2nd wave of Covid by not running hotel quarantine for returned international travellers competently, it is going OTT on any similar measures and requirements just now.

There are also public support implications, with many complaining that if Australian citizens are not able to come home as quickly as they'd like (there are numbers caps on how many can enter the country each week) then no international sports people should be given priority over Oz citizens.

Then there's the volunteer officials - it was announced a couple of weeks ago that all those working in pit lane and paddock area would have to be in quarantine for three weeks (1 week before the event, 2 weeks after) and there are (less clear) requirements for other officials too apparently. Those that I know have said that they simply can't take that amount of time off work.

So - unlikely, yeah that's the way it looks now - particularly as the country has border restrictions between the states again as a result of a small cluster in Sydney (28 cases as I write) and those border closures were announced and put in place on the same day. That means that any planning can be thrown into disarray with virtually no notice and as many officials at the Grand Prix come from interstate, that adds further risk to the event.

Unless some kind of bubble exemption is put in place for the event (political suicide possibly for the Vic Govt) then it's hard to see it happening from where we stand today.

Apologies for the long post.
Yes, It has all gone to hell over the last 24 hours and I too think it spells the death of the 2021 race. We have not seen our Grand Children for over 12 months and yesterday they arrived to stay for a week, this morning they went back to QLD via car as we could not get them on a plane before the border closed and being unaccompanied by a parent that was going to cause all sorts of issues if they had to go into quarantine and a 12 hour car trip was a better option than the problems that quarantine would have caused. I think it would be political suicide for the VIC government to allow the race to happen, there are still too many family separations that are far more important than a car race.
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Old 19 Dec 2020, 09:27 (Ref:4023853)   #22
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Don't forget they're also looking for somewhere to replace Vietnam (listed as TBA or TBD in the 2021 calendar).
Specifically mentioned for those were the likes of the 2020 stand ins, Portimao, Imola Mugello.... but as Peter mentioned I dont think they could/would be paying the going rate, and would look at a provided venue rather than a full on spectator event with sanctioning fees

Re Australia Victoria has just listed no incoming, and 14 day quarantines from parts of NSW who are currently suffering a spike in infections. Cant see the overseas dropping of quarantine short term, certainly not before a satisfactory full vaccine programme has happened
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Old 19 Dec 2020, 10:50 (Ref:4023868)   #23
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Stand in races will not pay the 'going rate' if Libbo are dead set on 23 rounds!

There's only so many venues with the grade 1 licence that can be brought in as replacements so it will be done on a deal basis.
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Old 19 Dec 2020, 13:28 (Ref:4023901)   #24
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For me the calendar should be quality, not quantity. This past season showed you could manage with only 17 races, even if they had to improvise somewhat and no doubt showed how important the more traditional venues are.
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Old 20 Dec 2020, 08:35 (Ref:4024070)   #25
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2021 for me is all about the teammate battles!

Leclerc V Sainz
Norris V Danny
Max V Perez
Vettel V Stroll
Schumacher V Mazepin
Alonso V Ocon
Gasly V Tsunoda

This is make or break time for a lot of careers

Add into this Russell chomping at the bit for Valterris seat....I’m not sure I can remember a season where it’s been so important to beat your teammate!

Agreed, especially how the first three in the list will turn out. Does add quite a bit to the season.
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Old 20 Dec 2020, 09:51 (Ref:4024078)   #26
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With only 3 teams keeping the same lineup as last year it's gonna be really fascinating how all the new team mate combos get on. See who gets bragging rights, how the team harmony works and all that. Can't wait
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Who do you think will be the most impressive rookie of the 3?
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Who do you think will be the most impressive rookie of the 3?
Right now, I think it'll be a two horse race between Schumacher and Tsunoda. They're both grafters. Mazepin seems to be a bit hot & cold, his head goes down if things aren't entirely going his way.
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Old 20 Dec 2020, 17:58 (Ref:4024177)   #29
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I wonder if these developments could disadvantage UK-based teams or even sabotage the start of the season altogether... again.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1776734.html
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Yes, It has all gone to hell over the last 24 hours and I too think it spells the death of the 2021 race.
As a Victorian taxpayer, let's hope it can be cancelled without spending too much cash.
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