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18 Dec 2020, 18:45 (Ref:4023751)
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I'd say Red Bull situation will be more tense, if Perez gets all he needs to get the most of the car. It would be Ricciardo vs Verstappen all over again. Except Perez is not mr. Smiley when things get heated. Remember his ongoing tension with Ocon? And that's with Ocon, who seems like a genuinely nice guy. In the same kind of situation Verstappen will just be his usual rude self, who never admits to ever being wrong. So I can totally imagine some red mist floating between the two.
Either way I don't see Red Bull challenge for victories in 2021. Don't be fooled by the Abu Dhabi performance. Mercs will be miles ahead come spring.
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I am pretty sure you will be correct on both points. The first point could get interesting, the latter sadly not.
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18 Dec 2020, 19:15 (Ref:4023762)
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Well if red bull can not challenge mercedes who will? could be a very boring season up the front end next year
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18 Dec 2020, 20:02 (Ref:4023773)
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I think Perez will do well, but he’s not going to be able to touch Verstappen. It’ll be like Mercedes where Bottas isn’t really on Hamilton’s level.
Although the dynamic won’t be quite the same as I don’t expect Perez to be so weak in the races, or so close in qualifying.
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18 Dec 2020, 20:39 (Ref:4023778)
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Marks out of ten for the Red Bull young driver programme?I'd give it five,maybe six and will review it after Tsunoda has a few Grand Prix behind him.
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18 Dec 2020, 21:51 (Ref:4023789)
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I think Perez will do well, but he’s not going to be able to touch Verstappen. It’ll be like Mercedes where Bottas isn’t really on Hamilton’s level.
Although the dynamic won’t be quite the same as I don’t expect Perez to be so weak in the races, or so close in qualifying.
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Depends how he's treated by RB, whether they take on board any of his input (he does have masses of experience after all) and whether they keep him under the thumb as a strict #2. I think he will surprise on occasion. I suspect he's pretty happy right now.
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18 Dec 2020, 22:34 (Ref:4023794)
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While I don't expect Perez to be on Verstappen's pace in qualifying, he'll give Red Bull an extra option in races, and give Mercedes something to think about. No-one extends the life of tyres like Perez does.
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18 Dec 2020, 23:45 (Ref:4023799)
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Keep him out long every race so Mercs are compromised when they stop?
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19 Dec 2020, 01:16 (Ref:4023808)
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I think Perez will do well, but he’s not going to be able to touch Verstappen. It’ll be like Mercedes where Bottas isn’t really on Hamilton’s level.
Although the dynamic won’t be quite the same as I don’t expect Perez to be so weak in the races, or so close in qualifying.
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Is Perez paying?
I would have gone Rogro (most talented) or Hulkenberg, the latter because that is who Max was pushing for.
The best way to have chosen would have been to have used a 2 year old car and run them all back to back.
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19 Dec 2020, 01:48 (Ref:4023810)
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Is Perez paying?
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He was at Racing Point, well, at least he brought some sponsorship. I haven't heard anything about that being or not being part of the deal with RB.
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19 Dec 2020, 02:07 (Ref:4023812)
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Is Perez paying?
I would have gone Rogro (most talented) or Hulkenberg, the latter because that is who Max was pushing for.
The best way to have chosen would have been to have used a 2 year old car and run them all back to back.
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I quite like all three of those drivers, but it’s all a bit of a muchness.
Maybe I chose Hulk out of the three, then Perez, and Rogro last.
A test would be fine, but actually I would look at their races. That rules Rogro out.
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19 Dec 2020, 09:11 (Ref:4023851)
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He was at Racing Point, well, at least he brought some sponsorship. I haven't heard anything about that being or not being part of the deal with RB.
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Horner did drop a comment the other day that although they would not be replacing the Aston Martin title sponsorship they did have a couple of new sponsors that would become known in due course. That was before the confirmation of Perez so I guess we will see some of the Perez associated logos like Telmex / Telcel, Mexican (Slim owned) Telecom companies in due course.Just a hunch
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19 Dec 2020, 09:53 (Ref:4023857)
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Marks out of ten for the Red Bull young driver programme?I'd give it five,maybe six and will review it after Tsunoda has a few Grand Prix behind him.
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Can you name a junior program that brought more drivers to F1?
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19 Dec 2020, 10:34 (Ref:4023864)
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I'm not sure number of drivers into F1 is a great metric, but it's certainly the metric that Red Bull would choose to use. They cycle through drivers at record pace. It's easy to have the most drivers when you drop them as often as Red Bull do.
I'd like to think that championships won is a better metric. That is why it exists after-all. It has brought 1 champion and 4 championships. The McLaren young driver program also brought 1 champion, but it brought more championships outside of McLaren
Worth noting that Albon was part of both the Red Bull and McLaren junior programs at the same time.
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19 Dec 2020, 10:57 (Ref:4023870)
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I'm not sure number of drivers into F1 is a great metric, but it's certainly the metric that Red Bull would choose to use. They cycle through drivers at record pace. It's easy to have the most drivers when you drop them as often as Red Bull do.
I'd like to think that championships won is a better metric. That is why it exists after-all. It has brought 1 champion and 4 championships. The McLaren young driver program also brought 1 champion, but it brought more championships outside of McLaren
Worth noting that Albon was part of both the Red Bull and McLaren junior programs at the same time.
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Good post, our thoughts are aligned on this!
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19 Dec 2020, 11:08 (Ref:4023875)
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Is Perez paying?
I would have gone Rogro (most talented)...
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