Pre-qual for Eastern Creek - Page 2

Crash Test · 24 Apr 2002, 03:34 (Ref:269051)

Or at places where you can fit much more than 32 cars. You easily fit 40+ cars at QR, but simply the modern day impatient driver can't spare a second to take car while entering and leaving their pit bays. Why not ban pit stops where they aren't necessary? They didn't work in taking wins away from HRT....
Also, why does Canberra have pit stops when it is the worst pit lane in the country?

RaceTime · 24 Apr 2002, 03:51 (Ref:269059)

I find it interesting, with all this talk about track densities, pit bay allocations etc, that at Phillip Island, one of the Shell cars couldn't be serviced because the other car was already in pit lane!!!!

Shoots the 32 car capacity pit lane to shreds really.

Crash Test · 24 Apr 2002, 04:02 (Ref:269066)

Just like the F1 rule, they can't service two cars at once. I'm surprised they didn't pull the hydraulic lift off the transporter and lift car 17 above 18, so they could both be serviced at once. How quickly would that loophole be covered up?

RaceTime · 24 Apr 2002, 04:23 (Ref:269070)

F1 specifically states that though - I don't believe V8's have such a rule (don't know them all so could be wrong on that - in which case, why wasn't the second car fined and/or penalised for pitting at the same time?)

Crash Test · 24 Apr 2002, 04:34 (Ref:269073)

Not sure on the exact wording though, but I think the deal in V8s is that you can't work on 2 cars at the same time. Where this leaves a 5 car team, I don't know...
At the 500 last year (and other meetings I believe) they had one 2 car team, then say a 3 car team, then a two car team, one car, two car,one car etc etc all the way down the pit lane in championship order.

RaceTime · 24 Apr 2002, 04:35 (Ref:269074)

IMHO makes a mockery out of pit stops doesn't it?

Crash Test · 24 Apr 2002, 04:45 (Ref:269079)

Of course it does. But it also means that the teams only have to bring one crew of tyre changers to the track. But then there were dramas with team mates running into each other... but now there is the problem of the teams playing favourites.

What about the old TOCA rule where they only had to change 2 tyres?

RaceTime · 24 Apr 2002, 05:31 (Ref:269087)

Nah - make em change the tyres on the rims - think of all the tyre changing equipment that could be sold!

Morris 1100 · 24 Apr 2002, 11:04 (Ref:269227)

Quote:

Originally posted by flaggie1
Paul Pickett has said to make up for this "demo" round at the island his going to send the cars to hidden valley. If the driver got "lost going to the island hows he going to fair finding his way to the top end.

He knows how to get to Hidden Valley now because he found it on his way to Philip Island

racer69 · 24 Apr 2002, 13:12 (Ref:269379)

If the grid is being limited and cars turned away when they could be racing for the sake of pit stops, then i say get rid of them, they don't do anything for the races much anymore, everyone pits within 1,2 or 3 laps of the window opening, leave them for when they need them, Bathurst and QR 500.

Flaggie · 24 Apr 2002, 13:49 (Ref:269393)

Racey, the pit booms are just one part of the problem. Just stating what was told to me by Cromley himself. 32 cars are apparently considered the ideal amount.

With the two Shell cars, if a 2 car team only has one pit boom they physically cant service both at once. Possibly one reason why teams are adding 3rd cars, gets em an extra pit boom. Who knows?

As regards removing pit stops, agree whole heartedly. Get Dunlop to design a longer wearing tyre and make the cars run enough fuel to last the race. Failing that, go back to the Sprint races.

RaceTime · 24 Apr 2002, 13:54 (Ref:269395)

The tyres aren't the problem - AVESCO have decreed the need for tyre/pit stops - so can't blame that on Dunlop (or whoever).

32 Cars used to be grid limits - going back 10-15 years - but it still doesn't help explain why only one pit boom. Sure, cost is a factor, but hell - if they want to run 2, 3, 4 or 5 car teams they *should* be able to service ALL cars at the same time. After all - they are allocated a pit garage per car NOT per team, so space isn't really an issue - except when they want it to be - like '32 cars is a safety limit - but if all team s agree we can increase it and make it higher' (AVESCO to Peter McDougal....)

Crash Test · 24 Apr 2002, 22:35 (Ref:269882)

Fully agree, but their way of thinking might be that 16-20 cars in pit lane is much more desirable than 32.

calais · 26 Apr 2002, 08:01 (Ref:270943)

well, paul morris has missed out again.
i bet his sponsors are over the moon..............not.
i think the amatuer gooses {or is that geese?}who are running this poor excuse for a motor racing championship realise the financial ramifications that pre qualifying is causing to some of the teams

BJAY · 26 Apr 2002, 09:00 (Ref:270966)

So, now what's the deal with Canberra?? Because there is no PreQualifying for Canberra I heard that they'll have the people who qualified for Eastern Creek, or am I wrong. Is it to do with Hidden Valley??

BJ

flaggie1 · 26 Apr 2002, 10:11 (Ref:271003)

The canberra field is who qualified for the previous round plus invited cars. ie Konica competitors

RaceTime · 26 Apr 2002, 10:23 (Ref:271012)

Oops - see next reply

RaceTime · 26 Apr 2002, 10:24 (Ref:271015)

Not right - automatic entry to Canberra is based on cumulative point score for the season so far - top 32 go straight in http://www.v8supercar.com.au/downloa...20FINAL.3.pdf. No other cars permitted *unless* one or more of the top 32 cars can't make it under which AVESCO have reserved the right to nominate replacements.

No pre-qualifying.

flaggie1 · 26 Apr 2002, 10:39 (Ref:271031)

My mistake Racey, but it still makes me wonder where the series is going with all this Pre-qual. Look at Seton he just made it to EC. What would have happened if he didn't.
Let me put a scenario up, what if Mark Skaife failed to make it there would be an uproar wouldn't there?

RaceTime · 26 Apr 2002, 11:04 (Ref:271068)

That's what I've been saying for a while - wait till one of the 'big boys' falters and see how quickly the rules get changed again.

Don't get me wrong - there is NO way in the world I agree with this current BS they are laughably trying to call pre-qualifying....

sevi · 27 Apr 2002, 01:05 (Ref:271809)

The ruling with the pit booms is for a 3 car team they are regarded as a 2 car team and a 1 car. The team can use 1 boom but only if they get approval from Ray.

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