Massa (BRA) future?? - Page 3

**chunterer** · 25 May 2011, 21:26 (Ref:2885890)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

To be fair to Eddie, if he didn't want to retire at that stage and Jag were prepared to pay him the money they did, then why wouldn't he stay on for a bit.

Eddie Irvine always tried to ensure everyone rated him as highly as he did. Hence his ott salaries.

herowassenna · 26 May 2011, 01:54 (Ref:2885949)

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Originally Posted by Razzzor

Since the early 80s I'd probably rank them:
MS/Senna equal, Prost, Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel/Hakkinen/Mansell equal.

Hmmmm, Senna. Alonso, Prost and MS equal, Mansell. Vettel and Hamilton will figure in the greatest driver lists, but really depends how their careers go over the next few years.
Hakkinen, dear God, I have never understood how he's ever been ranked as a great.
Completely invisible before 1998, gifted his 1st 2 wins and then had full support of DC for his 2 championship winning season in a "Newey" car. After that, disappeared from site.

Mr V · 26 May 2011, 04:30 (Ref:2885967)

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Originally Posted by chunterer

Eddie Irvine always tried to ensure everyone rated him as highly as he did. Hence his ott salaries.

He was obviously very good at it then as they paid him what they did

Razzzor · 26 May 2011, 05:31 (Ref:2885977)

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Originally Posted by herowassenna

Hmmmm, Senna. Alonso, Prost and MS equal, Mansell. Vettel and Hamilton will figure in the greatest driver lists, but really depends how their careers go over the next few years.
Hakkinen, dear God, I have never understood how he's ever been ranked as a great.
Completely invisible before 1998, gifted his 1st 2 wins and then had full support of DC for his 2 championship winning season in a "Newey" car. After that, disappeared from site.

When he was in a winning car and at the front, he's very fast. But if he's mid-pack, he's not that great.

Look at his DTM performances - hopeless.

**chunterer** · 26 May 2011, 13:41 (Ref:2886181)

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Originally Posted by Razzzor

When he was in a winning car and at the front, he's very fast. But if he's mid-pack, he's not that great.

Look at his DTM performances - hopeless.

A lot of the pro Mika stuff centred around that Estoril McLaren debut in 1993 but he had already shown his ability before 1993. If Mika had got himself a regularly competitive car between 93 and 1998 he would have been challenging for the title without question.

The guy was monster quick!

Mr V · 26 May 2011, 13:44 (Ref:2886183)

Felipe looked a bit leary but quick in free practice 2 today, trouble for him is, Fernando was immense and that's what Ferrari need if they're gonna win another WDC.

**chunterer** · 26 May 2011, 13:54 (Ref:2886192)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

Felipe looked a bit leary but quick in free practice 2 today, trouble for him is, Fernando was immense and that's what Ferrari need if they're gonna win another WDC.

Ya, Alonso looked superb out there, Massa merely entertaining....

**Bononi** · 26 May 2011, 14:59 (Ref:2886218)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

Felipe looked a bit leary but quick in free practice 2 today, trouble for him is, Fernando was immense and that's what Ferrari need if they're gonna win another WDC.

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Originally Posted by chunterer

Ya, Alonso looked superb out there, Massa merely entertaining....

Teflonso rocks, doesn't he ?

Problem is...

Mr V · 26 May 2011, 19:06 (Ref:2886351)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

Teflonso rocks, doesn't he ?

Problem is...

is???

**Bononi** · 26 May 2011, 20:13 (Ref:2886387)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

is???

**Adam43** · 26 May 2011, 20:15 (Ref:2886388)

Filipebaby was not driving well today. Occassionally there were a few quick sectors, but very ragged.

stripedcat · 29 May 2011, 19:40 (Ref:2887716)

His race today was terrible. Yeah okay, Hamilton shouldn't have tried that move at the Grand Hotel Hairpin, but then Massa went off on the marbles in the tunnel.

I know he is still signed to Ferrari for next year, but they could give him the boot like Kimi.

Razzzor · 30 May 2011, 03:29 (Ref:2887921)

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Originally Posted by stripedcat

His race today was terrible. Yeah okay, Hamilton shouldn't have tried that move at the Grand Hotel Hairpin, but then Massa went off on the marbles in the tunnel.

I know he is still signed to Ferrari for next year, but they could give him the boot like Kimi.

I'm not a Hamilton fan, but Massa definitely turned in very early and nearly clipped the back of Webber in the process as well. He should be just as much to blame for the hairpin incident as Hamilton.

But wtf was Massa doing, with a clearly damaged car (which he said himself) still running out in the marbles through the tunnel battling Lewis? I would have just completely back out of it and let the Hamilton go.

Another poor race from Massa.

**Bononi** · 30 May 2011, 11:18 (Ref:2888120)

He couldn't steer right with a damaged front wing...

Come on, he's retiring.

Marbot · 30 May 2011, 11:22 (Ref:2888122)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

Come on, he's retiring.

Ferrari seem to have their eye on a McLaren driver. But which one, I wonder?

**chunterer** · 30 May 2011, 11:58 (Ref:2888140)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

He couldn't steer right with a damaged front wing...

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Would've been an interesting exit from the tunnel for him and his assailant if he had!

**Born Racer** · 30 May 2011, 22:36 (Ref:2888443)

Where did you hear this, Bon?

wnut · 31 May 2011, 00:41 (Ref:2888469)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

Ferrari seem to have their eye on a McLaren driver. But which one, I wonder?

Well, you won't see Hamilton and Alonso together - ever, Fernando has been there and done that and is Ferrari's favoured son - with good reason, so it looks like Jense then.

AndyS · 31 May 2011, 07:38 (Ref:2888522)

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Originally Posted by Razzzor

Massa definitely turned in very early and nearly clipped the back of Webber in the process as well. He should be just as much to blame for the hairpin incident as Hamilton.

Couldn't disagree more, it was Massa's corner and 100% Hamilton's fault.

**Born Racer** · 31 May 2011, 09:55 (Ref:2888613)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

Ferrari seem to have their eye on a McLaren driver. But which one, I wonder?

Where did you see that?

**chunterer** · 31 May 2011, 10:53 (Ref:2888637)

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Originally Posted by wnut

Well, you won't see Hamilton and Alonso together - ever, Fernando has been there and done that and is Ferrari's favoured son - with good reason, so it looks like Jense then.

I highly doubt you'll ever see Hamilton in a Ferrari, let alone Alonso's partner ever again.

Button won't go to Ferrari when McLaren's so good for him surely?

Ferrari will only want a no.2 on a 1 or 2 year deal whilst they wait for their next super driver to mature/become a free agent (whoever the heck that will be!)

littleman · 31 May 2011, 14:06 (Ref:2888778)

Massa is on the road to no where, or even worse, Hispania.

**chunterer** · 31 May 2011, 20:14 (Ref:2888992)

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Originally Posted by littleman

Massa is on the road to no where, or even worse, Hispania.

You're talking about a man who nearly (and should've) won the 2008 WDC and sadly has endured 2 fairly significant circumstances, that have a had a negative effect on his results, outside of his making since then.

It'll be a decent team or as Bon suggests retirement when his current deal expires.

littleman · 1 Jun 2011, 07:45 (Ref:2889205)

As my old boss used to say, "You've been paid for what you've done.We're now paying you for what you're doing and what you're going to do".

**Bononi** · 1 Jun 2011, 12:21 (Ref:2889351)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

Where did you hear this, Bon?

There's been some talk in TV by people linked to motosport racing, specially that his family is managing the Formula Futuro (F-FUTURE FIAT) that was created by Massa thinking of future F1 drivers and after the accident they would like him to give full attention to that. Actually it's a wish of his family that he might be willing to fullfill or not, as it all depends of what he feels about racing after leaving Ferrari. Point is, maybe people don't see it, but Massa always been very close to Ferrari and going to another team might not be in his sights. But again, who knows what the future might bring.

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