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Old 1 Apr 2019, 18:05 (Ref:3894713)   #26
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Old 1 Apr 2019, 19:37 (Ref:3894730)   #27
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Was Kimi 2005 when his from tire was so badly flat spotted that the front suspension let go shortly before the end of the race? If that's the case, the car was under severe vibration for a while before things fell apart.

Vettel's front wing came off in short order after the spin which would lead to tell me how super fragile these front wings are this year. Ricci's wing peeled off pretty easy too hitting that grass side walk at the start in Oz.

We have all seen where cars have even taken some bad bumps and some air and the wings have stayed intact.

Just seems bizarre how quickly Vettel's wing came off. Maybe there is more to the story, who knows.

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I have read that there is an approach with the Ferrari front wing, where they focus on energy towards the centre of the nose, as opposed to others who focus on the endplates.

This has been speculated as a cause for the lack of performance in Australia, where the more undulating surface made this less effective, or required thicker supports.
At the 'smooth' circuits (Barcelona and Bahrain), they can be thinner and more focussed on the nose.

This could be the reason why this is a potential weak point in the car, which is exposed on rough surfaces (or when the car is not stable). It might also explain why the car reacted so suddenly when crossing a vortex, as there is a single aero point that has its flow broken.
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Old 1 Apr 2019, 20:15 (Ref:3894736)   #28
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Old 2 Apr 2019, 00:33 (Ref:3894767)   #29
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Synchronised engine failures... like swimming but far more dangerous with all that ERS power just laying around... ready to hurt people...

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Old 2 Apr 2019, 08:16 (Ref:3894798)   #30
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Was Kimi 2005 when his from tire was so badly flat spotted that the front suspension let go shortly before the end of the race? If that's the case, the car was under severe vibration for a while before things fell apart.

Vettel's front wing came off in short order after the spin which would lead to tell me how super fragile these front wings are this year. Ricci's wing peeled off pretty easy too hitting that grass side walk at the start in Oz.

We have all seen where cars have even taken some bad bumps and some air and the wings have stayed intact.

Just seems bizarre how quickly Vettel's wing came off. Maybe there is more to the story, who knows.

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If I remember correctly, Kimi did several laps on the flat-spotted tyre before the suspension failed. Vettel only did a couple of corners before his wing came off. Either the wing posts are far too fragile, or there's more to this story than we are being told. I hadn't thought of it before, but perhaps Leclerc should have been very nervous about his own front wing after that.
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Old 2 Apr 2019, 09:28 (Ref:3894807)   #31
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Just thinking outside the box a little here regarding the wing failure. Obviously it's designed (mountings-wise) to handle the forces put upon it when travelling in a forward direction. Could the spin have caused forces to be put on the mountings in a direction they hadn't expected and this caused them to weaken?
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Old 2 Apr 2019, 11:27 (Ref:3894833)   #32
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I did a bit of research on front wing failures and the most recent I could find was Temo Glock, when he was testing for Virgin. The front wing fell off the car, after he had only completed 11 laps at Jerez, in February 2010.

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Old 2 Apr 2019, 11:36 (Ref:3894836)   #33
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Or this one from 2013.

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Or Grosjean's multiple front wing failures in 2016.....

Romain Grosjean says Haas must solve the problems that are affecting its front wing after the Formula 1 team suffered its fourth failure of the season in Canada.
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I don't think any engineered front wing can withstand Grosjean's driving style.

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Maybe I am thinking way too simple here, but couldn't it just have been that the Pirelli tyres these days are so incredibly fragile that a few small flat spots can make the car vibrate like it's driving on cobbles?
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This wing should just about be ok for Grosjean?
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This wing should just about be ok for Grosjean?
But that's a McLaren, surely....?
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