Wake up Jenson.

Hamish Weir · 9 Mar 2004, 23:20 (Ref:900178)

After reading todays Sun new paper about Jenson Button being able to beat the Ferrari's in the next Grand Prix I had to laugh It was a great joke. I think Jenson should go back to be and wake up. I dont hink BAR are even close to the top 4.Nor do I realy think he is anygood. Hes a Coulthard in the making. There to make up the numbers. Question Is how long will it take to register that?
And no im not a Ferrari or a schumacher fan although I think Schu is the best driver at the minute.
Im a Jaguar fan (yeah, yeah laugh away).

What do you all think?

Kicking-back · 9 Mar 2004, 23:23 (Ref:900182)

An un-necessary bash on Jenson, really.

Firstly, the Sun like to blow a small quote out of all proportion.

Secondly, better to have self-belief than to go into a race with an already defeated frame of mind.

Inigo Montoya · 9 Mar 2004, 23:27 (Ref:900188)

I would not underestimate either Button, nor Baronda... After a shaky start where he was demolished by Fisi, he's proven to be a great driver. And Baronda seems to be on the right track, now that Jacque$ has left.

Hamish Weir · 9 Mar 2004, 23:32 (Ref:900192)

Better to be down beat in the eyes of the media that look like a fool when it dont work out. Eddie Irvine was like this. "I can do this and I can do that" Where is Eddie now?
If you keep those kind of thoughts to yourself untill you have done it a couple of times and you know you can do it again.

Hamish Weir · 9 Mar 2004, 23:37 (Ref:900200)

Down beat in tearms of what you think you can do. YOu dont hear Schumacher or Ferrari saying the title has been won right up until it has been. If hes going to say that hes just going to put pressure on him and the team. Id like to see BAR get some good points this year because the have been working hard since they were founded. But being careless in what you think you can do and what you can actualy do is stupid puts a hell of alot of presssure on the guys around him.

jj2728 · 9 Mar 2004, 23:44 (Ref:900207)

up until the USGP last year i would have been one of the first to say that he was a tad over-hyped and over-rated......not since then....i think he's begun to find his game....if anything, he could be another mansell in the making...just my humble opinion though....

grumpy1 · 10 Mar 2004, 00:24 (Ref:900268)

It is better to be confident rather than defeatest.Jenson is now senior driver and if doesn't have confidence what chance his team mate.

The Grumpy1

RWC · 10 Mar 2004, 00:59 (Ref:900297)

Jenson a couthard in the making?
Impossible.Jelly baby may be irritating (understatement?LOL)
but he can at least drive fast......

deeks6 · 10 Mar 2004, 05:52 (Ref:900420)

No - wrong. The difference between the two drivers named is that one can drive fast and the other is nicknamed DC.

Bunson backed off on Sunday to make sure he got home. The BAR is a definate improver this year and will be a competitor when they test the limits in a race.

**Peter Mallett** · 10 Mar 2004, 06:43 (Ref:900449)

Typical driver bash. You have to be desperate to put any store behind a Sun story.

climb · 10 Mar 2004, 07:20 (Ref:900487)

Never say never, hamish weir

Airhead · 10 Mar 2004, 08:00 (Ref:900506)

I think he will beat the Ferraris. It is ordained.

PaulSands · 10 Mar 2004, 08:37 (Ref:900537)

He wont win anything till he grows a bushy mustache and starts being miserable

Airhead · 10 Mar 2004, 08:45 (Ref:900541)

I think being miserable was in last years script. He appears to have gained new writers.

Irv the Swerve · 10 Mar 2004, 09:00 (Ref:900552)

Quote:

Originally posted by Hamish Weir
After reading todays Sun new paper about Jenson Button being able to beat the Ferrari's in the next Grand Prix I had to laugh It was a great joke. I think Jenson should go back to be and wake up. I dont hink BAR are even close to the top 4.Nor do I realy think he is anygood. Hes a Coulthard in the making. There to make up the numbers. Question Is how long will it take to register that?
And no im not a Ferrari or a schumacher fan although I think Schu is the best driver at the minute.
Im a Jaguar fan (yeah, yeah laugh away).

What do you all think?

I'd like to know who think the top 4 are? - considering Jenson was wholly untroubled by a McLaren for the whole weekend.

steve_r · 10 Mar 2004, 09:24 (Ref:900575)

The Sun???? Answer me this - What does "The Beano" make of the first race?

Button qualified equal 3rd by the way. Therefore he should be aiming high.

Glen · 10 Mar 2004, 09:31 (Ref:900584)

BAR will beat Ferrari a few times this year i reckon - where the circuit suits their car and tyre. A circuit like... ooh, let me think.... Sepang. Hang on, that's what Jenson said - and I agree with him. They will be much more competitive against the Ferraris next race, and McLaren will struggle for a fair while yet - on that basis they're in the top four currently, no question.

**chunterer** · 10 Mar 2004, 09:43 (Ref:900596)

There is little doubt that Jenson is a very fast driver, but is he a real racer? We haven't seen him do any convincing wheel to wheel battles with anyone since his debut year with Williams.

One example is that everytime 'Monster' gets anywhere near him Jenson is lunch!

Jenson is certainly no Mansell, but more akin if anything to Damon, who was a damn quick driver but arguably lacking a little in pure racecraft.

However i reckon that if Jenson gets even nearer the front the of grid at any of the rounds i think he's got the discipline and pace to win from front, if he has to battle, he'll lose out though.

Fair assessment?

Glen · 10 Mar 2004, 10:09 (Ref:900615)

Not really - if he takes the view that discretion is the better part of valour then all that really betrays is his level-headedness and ability to see the bigger piccture. When he has been overtaken it has always been by a much faster car.

I do think there is the tiniest bit of substance in that allegation though - in so much as I believe that he needs to discover a flair for identifying that race-changing moment when it is appropriate to take a risk and make it stick because to do so at that moment would change the complexion of the race, or indeed season. Michael Schumacher has that talent in spades - as always, the younger drivers shold learn from that example. I'd prefer him to look at it that way than to charge for the gap at every half opportunity like Montoya - he has lost a lot by his impetuous behaviour... Indy 2003 being only one example.

Mattracer · 10 Mar 2004, 11:06 (Ref:900683)

Quote:

Originally posted by Hamish Weir

Im a Jaguar fan (yeah, yeah laugh away).

What do you all think?

OK

How long have you been a Jaguar fan? Since 2003??

daniel27 · 10 Mar 2004, 11:28 (Ref:900697)

Quote:

Originally posted by RWC
Jenson a couthard in the making?
Impossible.Jelly baby may be irritating (understatement?LOL)
but he can at least drive fast......

Comparing Jenson to Coultard is flattering in the extreme. This guy hasn't even been on a podium in four years in F1. Maybe he's a late bloomer but I don't think Jenson is anything special. He's certainly not a racer and he folds under pressure like a wet blanket. Fast but not yet aggressive enough. Time will tell.

Glen · 10 Mar 2004, 14:31 (Ref:900906)

Quote:

Originally posted by daniel27
Comparing Jenson to Coultard is flattering in the extreme. This guy hasn't even been on a podium in four years in F1. Maybe he's a late bloomer but I don't think Jenson is anything special. He's certainly not a racer and he folds under pressure like a wet blanket. Fast but not yet aggressive enough. Time will tell.

By and large Jenson hasn't been in a podium car though, has he? It's not as if his team-mates have been scoring multiple podiums and he has been languishing because he can't race, which is the pimpression you woud like to give.

When Button and BAR get their payback for patience and hard work, in the form of a podium or a finish higher than the Ferrari (as predicted), what will you Button-bashers be having with your humble pie? Cream or custard?

Mr V · 10 Mar 2004, 17:19 (Ref:901050)

Quote:

Originally posted by Hamish Weir
After reading todays Sun new paper about Jenson Button being able to beat the Ferrari's in the next Grand Prix I had to laugh It was a great joke.

Think back a few months, ultra hot weather, Michael lapped and ending up 8th! Now, who would have thought that would have happened last year?

It is unlikely, but it could happen.

BTW, Jenson didn't actually say that he would win the race, just could beat the Ferrari's. (weather dependant of course)

b.luther · 10 Mar 2004, 18:27 (Ref:901117)

I think Jenson is fast, but only time will tell. By the way things do change sometimes. Who would have thought Alonso would have smoked the entire grid in hungary. I know I thought someone could keep up but he proved me wrong just as Jenson and BAR have so far...IMO they have a lot of work ahead of them to keep this pace, but who am I to say maybe they have there Cr@p together and there ready to take on the big boys....None of us really know.

hamsmith · 10 Mar 2004, 20:34 (Ref:901245)

I'm with Hamish. you shouldn't run before you can walk. the bar is a suprising improvement but if you hype yourself up too much you might find it is followed by a very hard fall.

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