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Old 15 Oct 2021, 22:01 (Ref:4078649)   #46
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Toyota to Turismo Carretera: Who wins and who loses?

The arrival of the Japanese brand as the fifth brand in the popular category caused a symbolic shock in Argentine motorsports.
The arrival of Toyota al Road Tourism from 2022 changes the paradigm of Argentine motorsport, which seemed to have some coherence until the decision of the Road Tourism Corridors Association to accept the order of the Japanese brand to be able to run with a Camry.

With the return of a terminal to the world of TC, something that had not happened since the late 1970s -beyond the presence of Renault sponsoring a squad-, a new story opens with an uncertain ending.

Road TourismUntil October 12, 2021, a day before the surprise decision was announced, the main categories of autochthonous motorsport were very well differentiated. Let's see…



TURISMO CARRETERA: he was leaning on his history and tradition with only four brands vying for glory: Chevrolet, Ford, Torino y Dodge;

SUPER TC2000: captured the interest from factories to reinforce their brand image with current models on the market, although with certain modifications such as suspension and engine the same for all.

TURISMO NACIONAL: hugs in the pure motorsport, in which a car is prepared to compete by providing it with special parts for the suspension, brakes and engine, among others, but always maintaining the DNA of each vehicle.

TOP RACE: It was based on prototypes born to run equipped with high-power engines.

Matias RossiThe use of the time spent in the analysis is not capricious since from October 13, 2021 it is exposed that anything can happen. What would prevent another brand from losing the ACTC that allows it to run in Road Tourism?

This is something that shouldn't affect the Top Race and TN too much, but it does. It could have a direct impact on the Super TC2000, which supports its business model in the presence of the terminals.

What would happen if Chevrolet, for example, also asked the ACTC to authorize the participation of the Chevrolet Camaro? When evaluating investments, those responsible for General Motors It would be easy for them to determine where they would get a higher return ...

Even this new course that the ACTC decided to take could produce the return of Ford, who after his departure from the TC at the end of '70 ended up with his official team in the TC2000 and maintained its presence there until a decade ago (with the now renowned Super TC2000 specialty).

Mustang Mach 1For the Oval, the Carretera Tourism races would be an excellent platform to promote the Mustang, a model that sells dropwise in the country, but that is synonymous with the power that the company wants to transmit.



For now they are all assumptions, but they could stop being so if Toyota's landing is successful and not only in the results section. Undoubtedly, the next few months will be momentous for the popular category, which relives a great simbronazo like the one that occurred when the Chevitú in the mid-'60 to give the cupecitas headaches.

All the changes are resisted and more those to which, with another management, the ACTC lowered its thumb. The bet of Hugo mazacane, president of teceista, is very strong. Under his mandate, the TC could enter into that transformation that many have asked of the entity, but that it never dared to carry out beyond the failed attempt of the TC Turbo in the mid '90s. A transformation that purists hate, who forget that today they encourage tubular structures with bodies that resemble vehicles of the past ...

With this measure, the ACTC made it clear that the modernization of the TC, in some way, is possible. And the entity will be responsible for ensuring that this step leaves everyone satisfied, even the most die-hard fans.

Mazzacane has the great chance to go down in history as the president of the ACTC who changed the course of the most important category in Argentina and not be left alone as the one who succeeded Oscar Aventin and who greeted the pilots before the final. It will surely be something that you will try to take advantage of, despite the costs you may have to pay.

The time, in short and as always, will have the last word.

https://www.automundo.com.ar/toyota-...-quien-pierde/
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Old 15 Oct 2021, 23:11 (Ref:4078653)   #47
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The thing is, the TC Is a succesfull and healthy seres now, there are 40+ cars per race plus another 30/40 on the main feeder, the attendance it's the best of all the argentine series, and all the drivers want to race there (except Rossi, but he is weird, and may be the Toyota driver, so even he). The series won the power struggle with the STC2000 by almost a landslide, and it's shows.

Another thing, the TC is a truly independent and auto-suficcient series, almost everything mayor its either ACTC provided or nationally developed. There is not much influence of the terminals, there isn't that dependence of the brands that plagues so many series (and kills most of them, looking at you DTM and WTCC). The TC it's doing good! Now.

But then that's a problem in itself, the fórmula (pre Toyota oportuncrisis) doesn't have many ways of going forward, the cars represented aren't current anymore (and weren't, for at least 30 years), i am 34 years old, and can count with my hand the times i saw a Dodge Polara outside a meeting (or a TC Race) and every year i see less and less Falcons (my cousin has a sky-blue 65 on restoration tho), even less torinos and chevys. It's kinda the Harley Davidson Paradigm, you have a following, but for the new generations you mean nothing.

Not only that, but this Is racing, and even if the technical aspects of the cars (engine and chasis) are current development and impresive on themselves, the old model fixation are puting a limitation on that development.

The ACTC knows this, it's a hard place to be, they have to move the thing forward but breaking the actual succesfull status quo it's a risk.

The pickup spinoff was the first step, proved that the often viewed as conservartive dirigence was capable of having new ideas, and it was succesfull, the medium and compact trucks it's the industry battlefield in the country now, and they took advantage of this. Now they're having 30 trucks per race, and the number Is going up (and all of this with the pandemic in the middle).

The Toyota on the main series could be the step needed for breaking the stalemate, and it's ok for the TC doing it now, un fact, i think it's the best moment, if it's a failure, the already working base it's still there, if succesfull, well, even better. It's that or making a bigger change, as in changing all the models at the same time, a bigger risk, or not doing anything, enjoy the moment, and suffer a possible future (near or far) of a dozen cars per race and no interest by any brand.

That said, i love the guys saying "the TC Is dying" Every series in the world would love to be dying with those numbers of cars racing.

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These are some renders:




But I think that the Camry will use the original factory horn.
Thanks.

That's quite a revolution compared to current cars.
Looks bit like the previous Stock Car Brasil car.
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On other news, from other series, the TN class 3 did a faithfull F1 impression when the whole 1st qualifying group ended without lap times while fighting to not start the lap first so they could benefit from drafting.
The 11 car group was the one formed by the championship frontruners, including Santero, Pernia and Werner.
The pole position went for Yannantuoni, his first since the last race of 2019.
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The Turismo Carretera (TC) could race in Brazil and Uruguay in 2023.
Punta del Este could be the first race in 2023.

https://www.fanactc.com/2021/10/se-t...BU1F3cCd_QPniA
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Wow, I hadn't heard that!

The TC2000 / Formula E course is pretty much impossible for TC cars, they can't handle tight hairpins or chicanes.
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They mention modifications, and the TC aren't that unwieldly, but even then the racing would be really compromized, ending either a crash fest or a parade (and probably both)
It's a weird choice.

Also, TC: exists

TC fan: that's gonna kil the TC!!
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Wow, I hadn't heard that!

The TC2000 / Formula E course is pretty much impossible for TC cars, they can't handle tight hairpins or chicanes.
Yesterday in the TV program Maxima Velocidad they interviewed Mauricio Lambiris, and he said that he is working to make Punta del Este a reality in 2023.
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Yesterday in the TV program Maxima Velocidad they interviewed Mauricio Lambiris, and he said that he is working to make Punta del Este a reality in 2023.
Where it's that show now? Can't seem to find It, i remember it was in one of the Fox sports, same as Última Vuelta, it's still with them?
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Where it's that show now? Can't seem to find It, i remember it was in one of the Fox sports, same as Última Vuelta, it's still with them?
Both shows are on NETtv, on cablevision channel 21. Maxima Velocidad 22Hs (Buenos Aires time) on sunday and Ultima Vuelta at 0 o'clock on Monday (actually at 0 o'clock it's already Tuesday)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5iKxrr7K5Y&t=11s
This is the Maxima Velocidad of 17/10 they still haven't uploaded yesterday's program
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Meanwhile at the TC Cuyano (regional series in Mendoza, San Luis and San Juan), this happened at the last lap of last weekend's race:


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