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Old 23 Sep 2021, 11:45 (Ref:4075127)   #436
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Surely DTM's move to GT3 hasn't been all doom and gloom as some (probably gleefully) predicted. I see next season as a big test. If the numbers go higher and the quality of the grid is as high as this year and even higher then it's a very clear indication DTM is a strong force to be reckoned with amon GT3 championships.
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Old 23 Sep 2021, 14:32 (Ref:4075153)   #437
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Surely DTM's move to GT3 hasn't been all doom and gloom as some (probably gleefully) predicted. I see next season as a big test. If the numbers go higher and the quality of the grid is as high as this year and even higher then it's a very clear indication DTM is a strong force to be reckoned with amon GT3 championships.
The product on track is good, but TV ratings have fallen by about 50% and are essentially no better than those of ADAC GT. I am wondering if this will make some teams reconsider their choices. Also, ticket prices haven't changed much compared to the Class 1 days, which makes DTM just about the most expensive GT3 series for on track spectating and I'm not sure if that won't lose them spectators down the road.
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Old 23 Sep 2021, 15:22 (Ref:4075163)   #438
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The product on track is good, but TV ratings have fallen by about 50% and are essentially no better than those of ADAC GT. I am wondering if this will make some teams reconsider their choices. Also, ticket prices haven't changed much compared to the Class 1 days, which makes DTM just about the most expensive GT3 series for on track spectating and I'm not sure if that won't lose them spectators down the road.
True - TV ratings seems to be a big worry.
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Old 23 Sep 2021, 15:26 (Ref:4075164)   #439
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Surely DTM's move to GT3 hasn't been all doom and gloom as some (probably gleefully) predicted. I see next season as a big test. If the numbers go higher and the quality of the grid is as high as this year and even higher then it's a very clear indication DTM is a strong force to be reckoned with amon GT3 championships.
I don't think numbers need to higher actually. But we do need more than 5 full time manufacturers. By GT3 standards, at least 7 would be good.

But yeah DTM has been a good watch. Kudos to DTM Grid web site for making the races available.
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Old 26 Sep 2021, 21:55 (Ref:4075759)   #440
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Curiously, both the DTM and GT Open say they are holding a race meeting on 30th April - 1st May weekend.

Either GT Open and Euroformula Open are running as the support card for DTM, or one of them is changing dates..
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Old 26 Sep 2021, 23:27 (Ref:4075773)   #441
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You're right! Haven't noticed it. It seems interesting really...
Speaking of Portimao, I'm not really sure if this is a good place for DTM. In my opinion DTM can't escape from its German roots to much. Why don't they race at Oschersleben and/or Sachsenring for instance? Would be more worthwhile probably than going somewhere where there's little interest in DTM.
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Old 27 Sep 2021, 03:47 (Ref:4075807)   #442
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DTM can't escape from its German roots too much because it airs on pay TV in Britain, Italy, France and elsewhere.
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Old 27 Sep 2021, 12:26 (Ref:4075874)   #443
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I mean, it's important for DTM to race in countries like Italy or Britain - especially as Ferrari is now involved and Lamborghini is said to be willing to invest more in DTM, while Berger tries to get Aston Martin as well.
But is it really as important for them to go to Portugal or Russia or other countries that are unlikely to attract big crowds? I think it'd be ok if we had a season opener at Oschersleben or Sachsenring instead of Portimao.
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Old 28 Sep 2021, 11:24 (Ref:4076073)   #444
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I think its important the DTM pushes beyond German boundaries-

Firstly it has to stand out against the domestic pro am GT Masters,

And secondly, they are trying to pin themselves now as the most premier GT only series, and you cant do that in one country alone.

If the DTM sticks at GT's, I can honestly see it ranking above GTWC Sprint next year, ive certainly enjoyed DTM more than GTWC Sprint this year, not 100% sure why.
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Old 28 Sep 2021, 18:14 (Ref:4076161)   #445
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I think its important the DTM pushes beyond German boundaries-

Firstly it has to stand out against the domestic pro am GT Masters,

And secondly, they are trying to pin themselves now as the most premier GT only series, and you cant do that in one country alone.

If the DTM sticks at GT's, I can honestly see it ranking above GTWC Sprint next year, ive certainly enjoyed DTM more than GTWC Sprint this year, not 100% sure why.
Interesting comparison. I rank them equally so far this year. The pit stop rules in DTM is quirky though. They should have a tighter window. Not the sshort 10 minutes like GT WC sprint does, but 20 minutes maybe. I think DTM also needs a color commentator. That one guy who announces carries the whole load.

ADACT GT was fairly heavily pro drivers for a while. I have not seen any of it this year so I don't know about it now.
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ADACT GT was fairly heavily pro drivers for a while. I have not seen any of it this year so I don't know about it now.

No Change. The field is as alwaly close as hell, closer than in the DTM.
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Old 30 Sep 2021, 04:35 (Ref:4076372)   #447
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Speaking of TV ratings, I wonder what value they put into streaming views and such, and whether or not their moves to other streaming platforms have gone well for them.

I haven't watched DTM or ADAC GT this season because of their moves away from YouTube, and most people I know only casually watched them and haven't watched them since then either.

I didn't even know where ADAC was streaming their races until like a month ago when I stumbled across it in the comments section someplace. Not sure if I'm just blind, but I couldn't find anything about where to watch it on the English version of the ADAC site. My first experience with the motorsport.tv site wasn't positive though, as the first race starts like 2 laps into the race and the player buffers like crazy so I just gave up and haven't tried it again.

As for DTM on MTOD... Yeah I'm not giving MTOD any money.

I've seen people say things like BoP or electric cars are ruining their interest in motorsport, but for myself it's geoblocking and paywalls to watch. Especially after getting spoiled and having easy to watch series on YouTube for years, when they suddenly go "oh nevermind, now give us money to watch this next season" I just nope out and find some other series to watch or go play a racing game instead.

Going off on a bit of grouchy tangent at this point though I guess...
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For those struggling to watch the races (i believe only practice is shown on Youtube) at the last event in Assen Autocar India were streaming the races live on Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/c/autocarindia1) Now theyve shown qualifying all year long with English commentary but this was the first weekend that i noticed they had shown the races too. Not sure if it was a mistake, a one off or something that will continue but it might be another avenue for you?
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For those struggling to watch the races (i believe only practice is shown on Youtube) at the last event in Assen Autocar India were streaming the races live on Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/c/autocarindia1) Now theyve shown qualifying all year long with English commentary but this was the first weekend that i noticed they had shown the races too. Not sure if it was a mistake, a one off or something that will continue but it might be another avenue for you?
Race 1 - Hockenheim LIVE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBFQDV6SrwI
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Is there anyway of watching race 2 live? BT sport are not advertising it at all.
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